Section 8 and Crime in CLT---Cause and effect relationship? (Charlotte, Monroe: transplants, rental)

[SunnyKayak]

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[carolina_guy]

Originally Posted by stlterp

Who are "these people" that you are talking about? And one girl, wow, what a sample size.

If it makes you feel all superior to bash poor people, by all means, continue. And if blaming all ills on liberals makes you feel better, so much the better.

BTW - I don't think that it's any secret that concentrated pockets of poverty increases crime. No one really cared when the crime was concentrated in projects and in the inner-city. But now that we're being "overrun by illegal criminal invaders", it's all of a sudden a crisis.

"These people" I'm referring to are the ones I saw every day at the Meck. County HD receiving free services while flaunting their bling. They are also the people I drove past everyday in the hood on my way to work (and in case you don't know where that is, look up Grier Heights) who have the chrome rims, speaker systems, etc. and I see sitting on the porch everyday doing nothing but drinking 40s and smoking blunts (and no, I'm not being facetious, I did in fact see this).

The girl I mentioned was in no way meant to comprise an entire sample of the population, but it was to give an example of how many of "these people" conduct themselves.

"These people" are not those who have disabilities, or are in other circumstances that may warrant such government assistance. "These people" I see in Charlotte all of the time are the ones I have already described.

"These people" are not referring to poor people in general. Your implication is akin to accusing me of racism because of the "illegal criminal invaders" in Charlotte as if all Latinos are illegal aliens. This could not be further from the truth. I have known multitudes of individuals and families that were below the poverty line, but still did their duty to be responsible citizens, even if it meant working at McDonalds for minimum wage. They sure as heck didn't expect the government to pay their way through life. Moreover, there are millions of legal Latinos (and any immigrant for that matter) that are here because they worked for it, not because the cheated the border and continue to cheat our system. And yes, these invaders in Charlotte and Monroe are precisely what is driving our social infrastructure into the abyss with overburdened schools, health care, and jails.

So please don't patronize me that I'm some bigot who doesn't have a clue. I know exactly what I'm talking about, not only from the statistics, but because I see it everyday! And regarding politics, Republicans have indeed played their role in letting us get where we are today (including a wide open border policy), but liberalism is rooted in socialism and if you don't agree with that, GOOGLE it.

Edit to add: I still can't get over "my bashing poor people." I'll have you know we do our largely fair share of donations, whether that be monetarily to faith based organizations, donating to goodwill or the salvation army, giving things directly to families we know could use a little help, or traveling to Mississippi to help Katrina victims. See, I want the freedom to do these types of charities voluntarily, and I don't want your Nanny government spending my money for me on people who don't deserve it!

Charity should not be mandated, and Robin Hood shouldn't run our political system.

[stlterp]

Originally Posted by carolina_guy

And yes, these invaders in Charlotte and Monroe are precisely what is driving our social infrastructure into the abyss with overburdened schools, health care, and jails.

Leaving everything else in your post aside, I'd like to see how you back up this statement. Basically, you're saying that it's the "illegal invaders" who are the ones causing the overburdening of Charlotte's infrastructure?

Out of the tens of thousands of people who migrate to the Charlotte area each year, how many are "illegal invaders"?

[mullman]

Originally Posted by Palmetto Heel

Poverty is correlated with crime! Who woulda thunk it? Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Captain Obvious.

I disagree.
My great-grandmother was one of thirteen children born into a sharecropping family in Liberty NC. They were so poor that they had one pair of shoes each (for church and winter) and for Christmas would pray for sweets, a candy cane was a real treat! There were two wealthy families nearby in large estates, but my ancestors lived in a tiny three room house (15 people). And yet these poor people did not steal or kill - it would be hard to be much poorer, and yet they were not destined to a life of crime.

Contrast my ancestors' poverty to these 'poor' people in the low income housing. These people really are not 'poor' by any means considering global poverty. They have a roof over their head, air conditioning, running water, indoor plumbing, PLUS spinning rims, handheld video games & cell phones, gold chains, and enough money (and time) to buy malt liquor at 2pm on a weekday at the Exxon (I know as I fillup there).

Poor people do not commit crime, but people without a moral compass and not held responsible for their actions may.

EDIT: There was a time in my life when I worked three part time jobs and attended college full time.
So I really do not want to hear about how things are impossible without a 'real' job.
'Impossible' is a state of mind.

[himain]

I believe that section 8 should only be given out for 6 months and then you are cut off. IF you cannot get your crap together in 6 months, then you are pathetic.
I totally agree with you mullman. I have seen brand new MB's and BMW's in the projects of Miami!!! Also, I'll never forget that one time I was in line in a Winn Dixie down in Miami and this guy had one like 15 gold chains and bracelets, just really over the top gaudy and stupid looking. He then had the nerve to pay with a Welfare card. I actually said to him "you've got to be kidding?? With all that gold on you, you are on welfare?? Pathetic". The cashier and the people behind me dropped their jaws and the guy just walked away. POS

[mullman]

Originally Posted by himain

... this guy had one like 15 gold chains and bracelets, just really over the top gaudy and stupid looking.

Only one person in the history of the world could pull off lots of gold:

[neoflex]

I won't comment too much on this as I feel strongly about this particular subject and I will definitely get banned from the board, but to the people defending these low life leaches. Open your eyes and come out from the rock from which your under. TAke a look around you and drive around Charlotte or Monroe around 1-2 pm when most of us are working. Tell me what you see. Won't catch me rolling up to the Welfare office in my Crown Vic with a 10" lift kit, $2,000 stereo and 26" wheels that cost 4 times more than the car itself or a newer more dependable(Plain) car for that matter. Do like the government and pretend the problem doesn't exist.

[SunnyKayak]

Originally Posted by neoflex

I won't comment too much on this as I feel strongly about this particular subject and I will definitely get banned from the board, but to the people defending these low life leaches. Open your eyes and come out from the rock from which your under. TAke a look around you and drive around Charlotte or Monroe around 1-2 pm when most of us are working. Tell me what you see. Won't catch me rolling up to the Welfare office in my Crown Vic with a 10" lift kit, $2,000 stereo and 26" wheels that cost 4 times more than the car itself or a newer more dependable(Plain) car for that matter. Do like the government and pretend the problem doesn't exist.

You forgot to put on your spinners on your old crown vic

[anifani821]

The Great Meck Welfare State has resulted from several factors. Section 8, entitlement programs, drop outs, single parent households w/ single parent being a mother who is A. a drop out, so no way to make a living to support herself B. a crack head C. under 18 when first pregnant D. two or more kids by 18 E. petty criminal who loses custody of her child, so child b/cms part of "the system." Just take your pick on which answer fits.

Then there are the grandparents, whose households are truly struggling b/c they have had their kids dump children on them. These g/parents desperately NEED assistance, and we should help them . . . b/c otherwise, the kids will end up in "the system."

Then we have dropouts who can't find a decent paying job . . . we have kids raised in these situations who see the only way out is to join a gang or run drugs for some thug . . .

There are many reasons that crime occurs in the areas that have Section 8 housing. It is a combination of factors.

Throwing money at it, however, is rarely a solution. But there are some situations that are worthy of assistance - such as grandparents trying to raise children who have been abandoned by their parents (or whose parents are in jail!). It is hard to make a blanket statement about entitlement programs or crime - both subjects are intertwined.

I was thinking last nite, watching Ms. Betancourt (rescued from the jungle) . . . and she said when you are in the jungle, you cannot see the horizon. You cannot see anything but the jungle around you, day and nite. And it hit me. That has to be what it is like living in an impoverished situation. That is all you see. Just this dismal abyss all around you. You cannot see the horizon. All you know is the waste, crime, anger that you live in daily. I think it has to be a horrible way to live and I know it has to rob people of any incentive and hope.

Don't know what the answer is . . . but it exists in pockets right here in Charlotte. I do know what the answer IS NOT - entitlement programs that foster helplessness and further rob people of incentive to take charge of their own lives.

[mullman]

Originally Posted by SunnyKayak

You forgot to put on your spinners on your old crown vic

I was in Myrtle Beach for a weekend this spring was was astonished by an ad I saw on TV: Rim Rentals. In other words you can rent rims/tires for a day or week of cruising. That is how some people want to roll I guess, on rented rims.