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Old 11-17-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Yellow Brick Road
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I am a native and I think CMS schools are a really mixed bag, depending on location, primarily.

I also think CMS needs to be broken up into two (or maybe three) different systems to address problems more effectively.

I also think that newcomers should do their research before they settle in, as school quality and issues truly do vary a lot throughout the system.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Union County
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I am a native and I think CMS schools are a really mixed bag, depending on location, primarily.

I also think CMS needs to be broken up into two (or maybe three) different systems to address problems more effectively.

I also think that newcomers should do their research before they settle in, as school quality and issues truly do vary a lot throughout the system.
Agree and I don't mean to single out Charlotte in the school regard... it's actually a common issue. Good to Excellent Elementary schools, Fair to Good Middle Schools, and then Poor to Fair High Schools.

You can easily find a great Elementary in CMS, that's not the issue. The issue is through the upper grades.
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Old 11-17-2008, 03:52 PM
 
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I wasn't trying to make a point that union workers are more "skilled", I was just pointing out that the post causing the uproar was more slanted towards teaching unions - or at least that was my take on it.

Comparing automobile assembly to educating our kids isn't even in the same universe. CMS should be looking at ways to improve because they're frankly not good. You can't unilaterally say that adding a union would help and since we shouldn't hijack the thread and turn this into a union debate, I'll leave it at that.



I married a HS English teacher and my Sister teaches JrHigh Social Studies... I know and have known many, many teachers over my years. I don't think we can determine that person's teaching skills based on that post and I definitely did not read it the same way as you. The reference was towards "trust fund kiddies" and a generalization about how poor the education is in CMS and Gaston. Where the union fits into that is open to interpretation, I guess.



I don't think the reason people joined unions has changed much over the years... I'll admit that I didn't know you could opt out of the teaching union and I have no idea how that impacts the union benefits (pay, tenure, etc). But, tenure was a very important factor for many because it gave them the protections you put a negative spin on. What if the school superitendent's niece just graduated college and she wanted a job in the district? What if a parent got bent because you failed their kid and went on a vendetta against you? Without tenure (or an equivalent), you could easily be pushed aside. It's way too easy to generalize the negative aspects of what a union gives...

Again, union debate aside and to bring my comments within the scope of this thread... The transplants are going to continue to have issues with the CM schools. They need to improve. You can try to blur this point any way you want, but it's a fact.
A good teacher would not make general/ambiguous statements as she did. As far as unions, membership is optional. As far as tenure, it works both ways. I have worked with teachers that have acquired tenure by knowing or being buddies with the principal. Other than that, they would not have been the best candidates. You are right about a person can suffer a vendettas, and it happens. I didn't say that teaching unions were bad, I am just saying that they're not neccessary in most cases except for the legal aspects. I was making a point that being a union member doesn't make a worker more productive. Again, nothing to do with school.

Believe me, I am not protecting Charlotte schools. They seem to $uck from what I have seen and heard. If I had kids living at home, they would either live in neighborhoods where there are good schools or go private. No problem there with me. I am not trying to blur anything. When someone makes general, unclear, seemingly unintelligent threads, they are going to have rebuttle. I was responding to her assumptions that not what you would expect from a teacher. Obviously others interpreted her message as I did. The person that posted has not responded to any postings so it was probaby her attempt to stir things up?
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:55 AM
 
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Dumbing this post down: Where do these (you!) people come from??? Like how many cracks in the wall can there be that would house this many nut jobs?

Well, lets look at the bright side. . . I don't have any kids in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school whose minds you containimated.

Let me quess - trust funded and never had to work for anything!!

Why is it that most of the employed teachers are from Michigan, Ohio, and New York? Gaston and Mecklenburg counties are so needy for teachers that they hire drug dealers and other criminals. The best part of NC is gaining experience and moving back to the North where the salaries are better. The cost of living in Charlotte is not as cheap as everyone says.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:04 AM
 
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Let me quess - trust funded and never had to work for anything!!

Why is it that most of the employed teachers are from Michigan, Ohio, and New York? Gaston and Mecklenburg counties are so needy for teachers that they hire drug dealers and other criminals. The best part of NC is gaining experience and moving back to the North where the salaries are better. The cost of living in Charlotte is not as cheap as everyone says.
Good job! You are absolutely "incorrect." All teachers are given FBI background checks before being unemployed in Gaston and Mecklenburg Counties. If they have criminal records, even misdemeanors, they will not be hired. You said that Charlotte and Gastonia "hire criminals from Ohio and Michigan so they can gain experience and go back to the north and get teaching jobs that pay more." How can they do this if they are criminals? Do they not do back ground checks in Ohio and Michigan? LOL! I would appreciate some clarification.
Secondly, Charlotte teachers are paid quite a bit more than many northern schools. The starting salary in Charlotte is around $42K. That is equivalent to practically any northern school district and more than most
And, on your final misrepresentation, Charlotte is infact cheaper than most cities that have exploding populations nationally. The cost index of Charlotte on a national scale of 100 is 94. The cities of the upper midwest rust belt have become quite cheap to buy a house. The reason is that the population is leaving (mostly to Charlotte). But, you knew this, right?
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:08 AM
 
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To get back to the original question, we live in NY (don't throw anything!) and are still considering a move to Charlotte for several reasons, mostly for a better quality of life for our family. We knew at some point we'd have to leave the NY area because it has become too expensive and wanted to find a place where we'd feel comfortable. We have friends who were transferred here several years ago and love it & they had been urging us for years to come visit. They figured once we visited we'd be hooked!
We did visit and did like the area compared to several other places we have "scouted" as potential relocation spots. We have spent the past 2 years researching the job market, real estate market, schools, etc. including several trips to look at houses. So, yes, we are 2 NYers who are still considering moving to Charlotte, crummy economy & all. We're pretty likable people, we throw great parties and we know how to bake all those Italian pastries! Hope you'll let us in.
Like to party and good cooks too? you need to move to Cornelius. You cook Italian and I will introduce you to cheerwine, livermush (liver pudding to snobs) and cheese and shrimp grits.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Yellow Brick Road
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Let me quess - trust funded and never had to work for anything!!

Why is it that most of the employed teachers are from Michigan, Ohio, and New York? Gaston and Mecklenburg counties are so needy for teachers that they hire drug dealers and other criminals. The best part of NC is gaining experience and moving back to the North where the salaries are better. The cost of living in Charlotte is not as cheap as everyone says.
Most of NC's (and CLT's) teachers are from NC. Why would you even post such ridiculous drivel?

Stats show that there has been a very large migration from the NE to the South for over 5 years - and Michigan is facing huge problems b/c their tax base is shriveling and jobs are gone - so people are definitely flocking to any place they can find a job. That includes NC.

NC teachers rarely leave for another school system. For one thing, they don't want to mess up their retirement. You just don't know what the heck you are talking about.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:16 PM
 
Location: caribbean island
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Let me quess - trust funded and never had to work for anything!!

Why is it that most of the employed teachers are from Michigan, Ohio, and New York? Gaston and Mecklenburg counties are so needy for teachers that they hire drug dealers and other criminals. The best part of NC is gaining experience and moving back to the North where the salaries are better. The cost of living in Charlotte is not as cheap as everyone says.
For all of those on board that know me (personally) you certainly can understand why coffee starting shooting out of nose as I was reading this post.

Give me a few minutes as I need to get a towel and clean up the mess.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Yellow Brick Road
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For all of those on board that know me (personally) you certainly can understand why coffee starting shooting out of nose as I was reading this post.

Give me a few minutes as I need to get a towel and clean up the mess.
Hang in there, John. Don't waste perfectly good coffee.
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Old 11-25-2008, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Monroe, NC
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Secondly, Charlotte teachers are paid quite a bit more than many northern schools. The starting salary in Charlotte is around $42K. That is equivalent to practically any northern school district and more than most.
bandibadji - I think that you have overestimated the generosity of CMS. The starting salary of CMS teachers is about $30K. Plus if they have spouses and family, they have to pay for their health benefits, which is unheard of in the Northeast. In NJ, where I'm originally from most of the towns now have starting salaries over $50K and it is extremely difficult to get a teaching job. There are no "job fairs" because they don't need them! The only way to get a teaching job is if you "know" someone on the BOE or you're related to the mayor. But we do pay those outrageous taxes!
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