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12-12-2008, 02:46 PM
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Williamsburg colors are what are used on the historic homes here. Benjamin Moore is your best source for that palette.
I can get you the name of the paint that is most popularly used in Charleston, if you want that. But it is even more expensive than Benjamin Moore.
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Thanks, Ani. I'd be interested. If it doesn't work for me, someone else might find it useful.
Williamsburg colors are very close to Philadelphia colors with the colonial colors, but I think that the Philly combinations might be a bit more colorful. Nothing garish, mind you, but as the 2nd largest city in the English-speaking world at the time of the Revolution, there would have been more money there at that time.
Since Philadelphia was feeding the settlement of the Charlotte area & down into SC & norhern GA, I would think that Philadelphia colors would be appropriate to use here, if a historic palette is used.
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12-12-2008, 03:03 PM
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Thanks, Ani. I'd be interested. If it doesn't work for me, someone else might find it useful.
Williamsburg colors are very close to Philadelphia colors with the colonial colors, but I think that the Philly combinations might be a bit more colorful. Nothing garish, mind you, but as the 2nd largest city in the English-speaking world at the time of the Revolution, there would have been more money there at that time.
Since Philadelphia was feeding the settlement of the Charlotte area & down into SC & norhern GA, I would think that Philadelphia colors would be appropriate to use here, if a historic palette is used.
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southbound - Before you buy that paint, you might want to visit a library and seek out a past issue Consumer Reports with a review of exterior house paints. You'll want to find something that holds up for as long as possible, unless you enjoy painting every few years! 
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12-12-2008, 03:08 PM
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Thanks, Ani. I'd be interested. If it doesn't work for me, someone else might find it useful.
Williamsburg colors are very close to Philadelphia colors with the colonial colors, but I think that the Philly combinations might be a bit more colorful. Nothing garish, mind you, but as the 2nd largest city in the English-speaking world at the time of the Revolution, there would have been more money there at that time.
Since Philadelphia was feeding the settlement of the Charlotte area & down into SC & norhern GA, I would think that Philadelphia colors would be appropriate to use here, if a historic palette is used.
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Very true. And some of the architects for this region hailed from Philly. Any of those historic colors would work - and from what I have researched over the years - it is a gorgeous palette. I stick to Benjamin Moore just b/c they do have a separate palette of historic colors - wh/ also includes such things as "Nantucket" colors and some "Philadelphia" colors - in fact, one of my favorite interior colors is Philadelphia cream . . . another, Lancaster white . . .
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12-12-2008, 03:14 PM
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southbound - Before you buy that paint, you might want to visit a library and seek out a past issue Consumer Reports with a review of exterior house paints. You'll want to find something that holds up for as long as possible, unless you enjoy painting every few years! 
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OK, Thanks, Emissary.
Yes, the Finneran & Haley paints last for many years. I know some don't last as long, though.
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12-12-2008, 03:32 PM
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Very true. And some of the architects for this region hailed from Philly. Any of those historic colors would work - and from what I have researched over the years - it is a gorgeous palette. I stick to Benjamin Moore just b/c they do have a separate palette of historic colors - wh/ also includes such things as "Nantucket" colors and some "Philadelphia" colors - in fact, one of my favorite interior colors is Philadelphia cream . . . another, Lancaster white . . .
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One of the Benjamin Moore colors that I like is Whitall Brown. That's South Jersey Quaker.
Ann Whitall sat at her spinning wheel during the Battle of Redbank & a cannonball whizzed past her head, so she got up & went to the basement. After the battle, she nursed the wounded & dying (Hessians & colonists). The Whitall farmstead still stands.
LOL, I was able to identify the Philly colors in the Benjamin Moore historic colors, by name. I just had a problem with the greens. The Philly greens are mostly greyed olive tones. Maybe I needed to look into the grays more.
I'm wondering if I get someone to send me the color card for the Finneran & Haley colors if I can order them through a Benjamin Moore dealer. I think that Benjamin Moore may have acquired Finneran & Haley, as the 2 are now being sold by the same dealers. I know that I painted my old house 20 years ago & it was still perfectly good when I sold it.
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12-12-2008, 03:53 PM
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SB - I have used Carolina Gull and wonder if that is similar to what you want? How deep a tone? This is greyish olive-ish, LOL. Not an historic color but may be in same palette as you were thinking about. In historic palette, I have used Yorketowne green on my door . . . has some blue in it . .. Stratton blue is a green/grey, IMHO. Salisbury green for a medium tone . . . Webster green - olive-ish grey color . . .
For a dark tone - I like Caldwell green . . .
I honestly think you can find some colors in BM in the historic palette. I have been using their stuff since the 70s, when I was doing showrooms - and have used it exclusively ever since. (Well, got some ooops paint = Valspar - at Lowes for a guest bedroom, but you know what I mean).
ETA - also - check out Kennepunkport Green.
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12-12-2008, 04:19 PM
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SB - I have used Carolina Gull and wonder if that is similar to what you want? How deep a tone? This is greyish olive-ish, LOL. Not an historic color but may be in same palette as you were thinking about. In historic palette, I have used Yorketowne green on my door . . . has some blue in it . .. Stratton blue is a green/grey, IMHO. Salisbury green for a medium tone . . . Webster green - olive-ish grey color . . .
For a dark tone - I like Caldwell green . . .
I honestly think you can find some colors in BM in the historic palette. I have been using their stuff since the 70s, when I was doing showrooms - and have used it exclusively ever since. (Well, got some ooops paint = Valspar - at Lowes for a guest bedroom, but you know what I mean).
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Thanks, Ani. I'll check those colors. In the Sherwin Williams pallete Protege Bronze looked pretty darned close to the lighter green & Marsh Fern or Garden Path were in the ball park of the darker green.
In the Benjamin Moore line, I had 3 combinations, but I need to look at them again, & get into the greys more.
These would be for house, shutters, & doors.
Princeton gold, Adams gold, Whitall brown
Whitall brown, Princeton Gold, Fairmont green
Fairmont green, Lancaster Whitewash, Whitall brown
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12-12-2008, 04:42 PM
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Have you compared Webster Green to Fairmont Green? Same tonality but Webster is greyer. I would not put Whitall w/ either the Webster or the Fairmont - my recollection of Whitall is that is has red tones that give it a pinkish brown quality. Have you looked at Van Buren Brown and compared that to the Whitall? I like Whitall but w/ the greyish tones you are talking about . . . not so sure about the pinkish brown w/ Whitall. Of course, there is probably some publication f/ BM showing it together, wh/ will make me look like a total idiot . . . but out in the sun, I have just noticed that Whitall takes on a pinkish undertone.
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12-12-2008, 04:58 PM
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Have you compared Webster Green to Fairmont Green? Same tonality but Webster is greyer. I would not put Whitall w/ either the Webster or the Fairmont - my recollection of Whitall is that is has red tones that give it a pinkish brown quality. Have you looked at Van Buren Brown and compared that to the Whitall? I like Whitall but w/ the greyish tones you are talking about . . . not so sure about the pinkish brown w/ Whitall. Of course, there is probably some publication f/ BM showing it together, wh/ will make me look like a total idiot . . . but out in the sun, I have just noticed that Whitall takes on a pinkish undertone.
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LOL, I need paint chips, Ani, So far I'm going by the computer, since I'm unfamiliar with Benjamin Moore, surfing through the colors & applying them to a house. I know it's not accurate, but I was just trying to rough it in.
I wasn't thrilled with Fairmont. That's why I decided to post. The color is authentic to Philly, but it's not what I was looking for. Actually, F&H has a light green & a dark green that are used together as often as they are used with other colors.
I appreciate your input. I have no experience at all with Benjamin Moore. I would be very unhappy with a pinkish undertone. It wouldn't go at all with anything that I would possibly put with Whitall. (Bet you never thought you'd hear a story-line behind that color name.  )
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12-12-2008, 05:12 PM
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Well, I think that conceptually, your combo of colors is wonderful! Getting the exact shades will be the thing, and I honestly think you will be able to find what you want in BM. Do you have a store up that way? We have a good one here in S CLT right off Hwy 51 but I would think there would be others closer to you. I have messed w/ those colors for years and have found out the history behind some of the color names - but never heard the info on Whitall!!! Thank you so much for sharing it!
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