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Old 12-22-2008, 06:37 AM
 
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It's a slippery slope. If you feel the government has jurisdiction over you life in one place, then you give them jurisdiction over your life everywhere.

And there will NEVER - I mean NEVER - be a government who knows what is better for me or MY CHILDREN than I do!!

Pretty much what I meant. But I do not think the gvt has a right to tell a smoker they can not smoke in their own house. Unless of course there is children there. In todays world children do not have a voice and that is sad. In a public place I feel they have a right to step in to protect the public. But until cigs are taken off the market where will smokers smoke them? If we do not want to breath it in as non smokers then the first step is to remove the smoke from the public population. As long as they market the killer addiction then there will be smokers who disrespect others.

FDA will remove a drug that has cause a blood clot in 3 patients out of a few thousand but no one has the balls to remove cigs that KILL even those who do not smoke.

But just to re-add, a smoker or non smoker does not determine class.

In a car, alone = smoke. Living w/o kids = smoke. In my direction or my kids = no thank you!
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Old 12-22-2008, 08:16 AM
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I have been away for a year, but if any of you think, walking down the 100 block of West Tryon at lunchtime, and seeing 50 - 100 people on the sidewalk, smoking like smokestacks is anything but low class, bottom of the barrel, then we come from vastly different social strata and probably universes.

You can run and hide behind government intervention if you want, but would you want your wedding picture taken in front of a bunch of puffers, filling the air with filthy smoke? Did not think so.

You smoke, I choke.

lln
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:09 AM
 
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I have been away for a year, but if any of you think, walking down the 100 block of West Tryon at lunchtime, and seeing 50 - 100 people on the sidewalk, smoking like smokestacks is anything but low class, bottom of the barrel, then we come from vastly different social strata and probably universes.

You can run and hide behind government intervention if you want, but would you want your wedding picture taken in front of a bunch of puffers, filling the air with filthy smoke? Did not think so.

You smoke, I choke.

lln
Businesses should provide an area for smokers, even if that means a screen at the side of the building. Smoking is an addiction. Just b/c I am not around to see the other people in that building involved in THEIR addictions, it doesn't mean that many people don't have them. There should be some sympathy for anyone who has an addiction.

You may be a pot smoker. I won't know it. You don't do it at work. If you are addicted to prescription drugs, you are probably not going to pop your pills in front of me. You may be addicted to caffeine and drink coffee and coke all day. No one is gonna say a thing. You may be addicted to porn. Well, doesn't interfere w/ my day. But these ARE all addictions, and the people who have them are not forced into having to partake of them in front of the rest of us.

I bet most of you know someone addicted to something!!! If you don't want to see/smell smokers crowded around the doors of a building, suggest that employers find a more private place for smokers to smoke.

People should not be so self-righteous. Have some sympathy. Smoking is an addiction.

ETA: I do not mean to be insulting in any way to people who are allergic to cig smoke or have bronchial or asthma problems that are irritated or can be inflamed by being around smoke. Didn't mean to minimize that. It is a real issue for anyone w/ those health concerns. But there should be a way to accommodate people who smoke so it does not bother people walking down a street.
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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People should not be so self-righteous. Have some sympathy. Smoking is an addiction.
So Ani how do you feel about those businesses that have decided that if you are a smoker that you will no longer have a job at that firm unless you quit?
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:30 AM
 
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The laws are created to protect others. If something else was in the air that none of us wanted to breath in (say from a company) that was harmful we would have to have intervention. If smoking did not kill those who do not want to smoke then I would be for it. But because there is a self entitlement to I can smoke and puff cancer your way in some smokers then this a ban worth having. We live in a non-respectful enviroment and we have managed to do more harm that good.
This may be a newsflash to you then... There are countless companies (Duke Energy included), and every one of you commuters who are constantly discharging such SERIOUS amounts of pollution that it affects the ambient environmental quality of the entire region.

If you jump in your car and commute 30 minutes to work in Charlotte all by yourself AND you're moaning about smokers "polluting" your air, I am here to tell you that YOU are responsible for more cancer-causing air pollution than outdoor smokers.

I am offended by coffee breath, can we outlaw mouth-breathing in public for coffee drinkers too? LOL.
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:48 AM
 
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So Ani how do you feel about those businesses that have decided that if you are a smoker that you will no longer have a job at that firm unless you quit?
HA HA HA - you already know what I think about anything that has to do w/ individual rights being taken away!!!!

I think we are on a very slippery slope when it is legal for employers (or the government) to impose any type of restriction on employees that have to do w/ their personal time, unless it affects their job performance. In that regard, I mean such things as drug testing. An impaired employee can be a dangerous employee in many settings, so employers have the right to expect a drug-free work environment.

Mandating weight restrictions, except perhaps for employees of an airline, wh/ DOES have to be concerned w/ weight . . . is another area that people need to realize is gonna be NEXT. That includes mandating what types of oil retaurants can cook with . . . we are only one step away from the gubment mandating what FOODS can be offered on menus. And it also includes health insurance coverage - higher premiums for anyone over the recommended weight chart for their height and age. It is coming!!!!!

I find it all quite troubling. NY putting a tax on soft drinks that contain sugar. Dear God - there are many reputable studies out there showing aspartame has serious side effects - if not for the general public, then definitely for a portion of the public. This is quite troubling - encouraging people to buy products w/ aspartame in them.

People are giving up their rights bit by bit. For those of you who applaud, just remember . . . something that concerns you might be next.
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Old 12-22-2008, 11:08 AM
 
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This may be a newsflash to you then... There are countless companies (Duke Energy included), and every one of you commuters who are constantly discharging such SERIOUS amounts of pollution that it affects the ambient environmental quality of the entire region.

So because someone else does something it makes it ok for others? There are tons of things in the air that are harmful. Right now they are saying rain, yes rain of all bloody things, causes Autism. Tell that to my two vibrant boys who are not only Autistic but also have severe lung issues.

There is always something to argue, this thread happens to be about smoke and its effects on others. There should be a place to support this addiction if they will continue to sell this product. Just as there should be a peace among non-smokers not to have their meal covered in smoke or freedom to breath. I personally find it terrible there is so much education, death, illness on those who do and do not smoke and yet these are sold at will. All for the mighty buck.

It amazes me how different areas think differently by how they enviroment is around them. I would love to eat and not have my boys meltdown with a pure out attack that normally results in EMS. But because they have no rights we stay home by our own choice.

That does not go for all smokers. I know some cool ones with so much respect for others they do smoke in their car or home. It is unlikely I will ever be in their home and I wont have the boys in the car so it works.

I do not think this is a 'right'. Does a non-poliet somoker have the right to kill children and not be put in jail? A right is not something that harms or kills others. It is a choice and a privliage. One of which not everyone wants to be exposed too.

But having said that, more work places should indeed offer up smoking areas. Heck in Disney World 2 weeks ago there were ample places to smoke. My kids never walked through the smog and gagged. It can be done.

Yes something may be in a law that will concern me one day. In which then I will have to decide to buck up or shut up about it. When it comes to the protection of the public the laws might be of good reasoning because we (the public) may not be making the right choice that keeps our issues from harming someone else. Few with a serious addiction (ie drinking, drugs etc) thinks clearly and about others. That is when there has to be support.
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Old 12-22-2008, 11:30 AM
 
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I do not see any connection at all concerning "classy" & the smoking ban laws.

Ani is 100% right on this. The general tone here is a desire to prohibit smoking. That brings up Prohibition. Well, that turned out well, didn't it...

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Old 12-22-2008, 11:38 AM
 
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So because someone else does something it makes it ok for others? There are tons of things in the air that are harmful.

don't be silly.

My point is, it is so typical and human for us to attack issues emotionally, and emotions drive people to do irrational things. Ranting about outdoor smoking is one of those emotional, irrational things.

I'm sorry to hear about your children, I have a child of my own and it makes my heart hurt to hear about ANY child suffering...

Personally, I'd like to see more public rage about mercury poisoning and emissions and corporate polluters and externalized pollution costs... smokers aren't a drop in the ocean when compared to those.
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Old 12-22-2008, 12:02 PM
 
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Native Son, ty kindly and a respected reply indeed
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