Son of the Official Chat Thread Part II (bankrupt, salary)

[anifani821]

Just got this link in . . . Kennedy's committee (HELP) . . . here it is - up for vote on 6/16 - read the whole thing - all 615 pp - here:

Kennedy Health Care Reform Bill Released -- Help Us Read Through It

[BrianH1970]

Originally Posted by NMyTree

If they put an end to all this b*llsh*t, we could have universal healthcare for legal Americans and it would NOT cost anyone an extra penny.

Let that surplus go back into the pockets of the taxpayers, the people who actually worked for that money in the first place. This whole idea of universal healthcare pi$$es me off to no end. How is it our responsibility to pay for someone else's healthcare? June 10, 2009, people would be in dire need of that money they worked for, not seeing it go to someone else's hospital stay. In the face of 401K losses, wall street losses, job losses, in the face of upcoming hyper inflation, that's money they worked for and need right now. Let us keep it.

I guarantee that anyone who had to write out the check themselves, sign over their cash to some universal healthcare plan, people would be much quicker to complain.

[chicagocubs]

Brian, I am all FOR healthcare. In fact, I wrote a paper on it and will see if I can transfer it to a blog. Every day, especially in this economy, one of my friends is suffering due to either a lack of health care or insufficient health care. One of my dear friends will remain at the bottom of the financial pile due to the massive amounts of hospital bills/doctor bills, etc. that he incurs due to several serious health issues. He makes too much for medicaid and is not old enough for medicare. It is beyond sad.

And, to say that we provide healthcare for the needy is a misnomer. Yes, we provide healthcare for the extremely needy, but, the working poor, not so much. it is a national tragedy. We are the ONLY nation in the industrialized world that does not provide healthcare to our citizens. ooohh...just read my blog if I can get it there!!

[anifani821]

Originally Posted by chicagocubs

Brian, I am all FOR healthcare. In fact, I wrote a paper on it and will see if I can transfer it to a blog. Every day, especially in this economy, one of my friends is suffering due to either a lack of health care or insufficient health care. One of my dear friends will remain at the bottom of the financial pile due to the massive amounts of hospital bills/doctor bills, etc. that he incurs due to several serious health issues. He makes too much for medicaid and is not old enough for medicare. It is beyond sad.

And, to say that we provide healthcare for the needy is a misnomer. Yes, we provide healthcare for the extremely needy, but, the working poor, not so much. it is a national tragedy. We are the ONLY nation in the industrialized world that does not provide healthcare to our citizens. ooohh...just read my blog if I can get it there!!

But, CHI - what you don't seem to be recognizing is this plan is not addressing anything you are concerned about. All it is doing is making it mandatory to have insurance coverage - and the insurance plans that I have seen so far (and I have not read this particular bill yet b/c it was just released) are DISMAL. THe coverage is LOUSY.

So no one is addressing what everyone says they want as far as healthcare reform.

[chicagocubs]

Originally Posted by anifani821

But, CHI - what you don't seem to be recognizing is this plan is not addressing anything you are concerned about. All it is doing is making it mandatory to have insurance coverage - and the insurance plans that I have seen so far (and I have not read this particular bill yet b/c it was just released) are DISMAL. THe coverage is LOUSY.

So no one is addressing what everyone says they want as far as healthcare reform.

That may be so; have not had the time (nor will I for the next few weeks) to research it. I just know that the administration is under extreme pressure not to do what we (the people) want, but, do what businesses want. I really hope that the businesses are not given the opportunity to destroy health care again. That would be horrid.

[Barkingowl]

CC you'll have to let us know what the Chinese healthcare system is like. Have fun on your trip!

[NMyTree]

Originally Posted by BrianH1970

Let that surplus go back into the pockets of the taxpayers, the people who actually worked for that money in the first place. This whole idea of universal healthcare pi$$es me off to no end. How is it our responsibility to pay for someone else's healthcare? June 10, 2009, people would be in dire need of that money they worked for, not seeing it go to someone else's hospital stay. In the face of 401K losses, wall street losses, job losses, in the face of upcoming hyper inflation, that's money they worked for and need right now. Let us keep it.

I guarantee that anyone who had to write out the check themselves, sign over their cash to some universal healthcare plan, people would be much quicker to complain.

It's not about it being your responsibility to pay someone else's healthcare.

The point and perspective of my post is this. If they're going to create a Universal Healthcare system, we are already paying a lot of taxes out of our checks now (and for as long as I can remember). So stop this reckless and irresponsible spending and use the moeny wisely.

I'd rather have a portion of my tax money go to helping those in need, than to have my tax money spent on misguided wars bourne of lies and greed .......and for good 'ole boy contracts with companies like Haliburton. As well as rather than all the things I mentioned above.

Personally, I'm favor of a Universal healthcare system. But only if they do it correctly and stop catering to the Insurance companies and Pharmaceutical companies.

But I don't see that happening. And what little I see floating around about their idea and concept of a Universal Healthcare system for America, I don't like. Guess I'll have to wait till some facts role in.

I do believe that a civilized and humane civilization should have a Universal healthcare system. I do believe that Healthcare should have nothing to do with extreme greed and grossly inflated profits. It should be about progress in terms of a countries overall health and quality of life. It should be about humane ....compassionate mindsets and policies. Not catering to some dispicable and extreme profit margin.

I don't believe profit is more important and should take a higher priority over the life and overall health of human beings. I find that distasteful.

I believe in a responsible, humane Capitalism. I believe there should be regualtions in certain fields/areas of business; when it comes to people getting the medical/health attention they need.

There's nothing worse, more damaging and more distasteful than having to deal with greedy insurance companies and exploitive pharmaceutical company's products/medicines; when one is extremely ill and battling a potentially deadly disease/condition/injury.

Human beings in ill-health or suffering serious injuries; should never be exposed to such horrorific and stressful bureaucratic policies and procedures.

It is absolutely stressful, negative and damaging to the process of healing and battling one's disease.

[anifani821]

Originally Posted by chicagocubs

That may be so; have not had the time (nor will I for the next few weeks) to research it. I just know that the administration is under extreme pressure not to do what we (the people) want, but, do what businesses want. I really hope that the businesses are not given the opportunity to destroy health care again. That would be horrid.

CHI - this is not what businesses want! And it surely is not gonna be to the advantage of the small business owner or to the advantage of someone like me who has had to provide my own healthcare insurance. Those benefits are now gonna be TAXED. Is anyone listening?

This administration was under pressure only b/c the public believed the pre-election rhetoric! But even O's rhetoric was NEVER to provide the type of healthcare that you and so many others have been envisioning! He clearly stated what the plan would be - some type of INSURANCE REFORM. But everyone was hearing what they wanted to hear!

There are some things that this bill would help as far as access. It appears that the Medicaid threshold requirements are going to be increased - so people can make a bit more money and qualify for Medicaid. And the threshold is age 26 to allow children to stay on parents' healthcare plans. I just read these provisions in the legislation. Also, you can't be turned down for coverage if you have a pre-existing condition, but really - that was covered by earlier legislation. Presently, you can GET a policy but you will just have higher premiums. I have not figured out how this legislation affects PREMIUM costs - am still reading that.

But no - it was NEVER up for discussion to get the type of healthcare that people keep talking about - and I posted this over and over in 2007 and 2008 on forums, but no one would believe me. Yet, I was getting my info straight from congressional records, sources and later - from the Presidential Candidates' own literature and speeches.

[NMyTree]

Originally Posted by anifani821

But, CHI - what you don't seem to be recognizing is this plan is not addressing anything you are concerned about. All it is doing is making it mandatory to have insurance coverage - and the insurance plans that I have seen so far (and I have not read this particular bill yet b/c it was just released) are DISMAL. THe coverage is LOUSY.

So no one is addressing what everyone says they want as far as healthcare reform.

Exactly. I'm not sure what their plan really is (doesn't seem like anyone really knows, at this point in time), but it doesn't seem like anything I agree with.

Otherwise, I've already expressed my opinions on Universal Healthcare and healthcare, in general, up above.

[anifani821]

NMYTREE: I am gonna write this again . . . and hopefully someone will read it.

This is NOT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!!! It is insurance reform. This ain't the Canadian healthcare system and we are not getting the Canadian h/c system!!!! All you are getting is changes in the insurance policies you have access to. THAT IS IT.

ETA: Okay - wrote this b/f I saw your reply.

I am just wanting to make a distinction that we are not getting UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. What Congress is attempting to do, in my opinion, is mandate UNIVERSAL INSURANCE COVERAGE.