Pay cut for teachers v. quality of education (teacher salaries, living in)

[lowercountry]

Originally Posted by HenryDGandhi

I think we all understand that in tough times, most people are going to have to tighten their belts and deal with some type of cut in hours, pay, benefits, etc. I object however, to CMS dealing with their budget woes by laying it primarily on teachers. Gorman can do all the "we've cut central office to the bone" dance he wants - check out the recent Observer article and so some research for yourself - CMS has the ed Center on 2nd Street, many floors at Walton Plaza, an airport center, and now all the "Learning Community" centers - and many of them lost not even a secretary. In bad times, everyone who doesn't TEACH and contact CHILDREN should be cut - keep the students' good in mind first. Instead, CMS officials protect those who were desperate to get out of the classroom, protect their little fiefdoms and personal projects - like Gorman's wife's Parent University. Pah.

You have valid points. I was addressing the issues as a whole and not specific decisions at the local level, per se. One could even argue that if the state level decisions were a bit more prudent issues such as these would be moot.

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Its funny how you guys would admit that the entire country is having financial woes but proceed to attack unions as if unions are the cause for the downturn in our economy. if your logic was true then states like NC who are anti union would not be suffering. California's problems do not stem from their unions. Union protect the ordinary guy from feeling the brunt of the pain. Heads of corporations, ceos, and politicians are not accepting paycuts so why should we...

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Originally Posted by lowercountry

No, in unionized states such as NY the budgets are balanced on the backs of the children. But hey, teachers are protected so who cares about the children, right, R-Rated?

Also, if you are a teacher I certainly hope you haven't taught children that the second person pronoun is "u".

Finally, you are trolling... and you even admit it.

What the hell r u talking about. If budgets are balanced on backs of children it is because teachers are laid off and their salaries cut thus children r affected. If teachers r protected children r protected, your logic is no logic @ all...

[r-rated]

"Also, if you are a teacher I certainly hope you haven't taught children that the second person pronoun is "u"."

u r showing yr age, u must b old and u dont (txt) text using yr cell phone. Texting when using your cell phone and sometime computers, whole words r not spelled out, in the interest of time. it is a form of "shorthand" Come on keep up with the time...

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Originally Posted by getatag

Yep, Unions have been great for the US auto industry, how long before the "teaching" industry follows?????

yes unions have been great for the US auto industry. the whole country is reeling through this, a downturn in the economy and we are working our way through this, you cant blame unions. you can blame the banks but not unions

[lowercountry]

Originally Posted by r-rated

"Also, if you are a teacher I certainly hope you haven't taught children that the second person pronoun is "u"."

u r showing yr age, u must b old and u dont (txt) text using yr cell phone. Texting when using your cell phone and sometime computers, whole words r not spelled out, in the interest of time. it is a form of "shorthand" Come on keep up with the time...

There's no way you are that ignorant if you are a teacher. If you were a teacher, then you would know that text speak is perfectly acceptable... when you are texting on a darned phone! Otherwise, if makes you appears to be immature and uneducated.

Glad to see that NY students are being led by the best. Given your attitude and your use of the English language may be you need a union. I do not need a union to protect me because I do my job well.

Now go troll around the internet for formal and informal writing techniques and perhaps a copy of Emily Post's book of manners.

Originally Posted by r-rated

What the hell r u talking about. If budgets are balanced on backs of children it is because teachers are laid off and their salaries cut thus children r affected. If teachers r protected children r protected, your logic is no logic @ all...

Here's what I am talking about (are you like a first year teacher?): I know quite a few teachers in NY who tell me that the budget is so bad that earlier in the fall programs out on LI were being dropped and teachers were having to provide all of their own supplies. When programs are cut instead of a day or two of a teacher furlough... well that is when the budget is balanced on the backs of the children.

It is obvious you do not really understand educational budgeting and public financing at all. Your concern is you and you only, as evidenced by the fact that you simply want a union to protect YOUR job.

See you in the unemployment line when the union there can't make the Albany folks balance the budget exactly the way that they want them to do.


To your other point? Unions have contributed somewhat to the economic woes, along of course, with many other factors. My point, which obviously was a bit too obtuse for you, is that no union can protect your job when the economy is such that the state has budget woes. What do you think... that the union can make the state keep you employed even when the money isn't there?

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Originally Posted by lovesMountains

rah, rah, rah - go cheer on your NY board - not sure why you think you need to be here since you don't live in NC? Are you that bored, or just that boring?

because I have friends and family who live in NC and I am there often. I will stand up and defend teachers wherever I am, anytime, any place

[lowercountry]

R-Rated: here's something for you (among many news reports):

2,000 TEACHERS FACING AX

Despite a hefty financial boost from the federal government, as many as 5,000 of the city's public-school staffers -- including 2,000 teachers -- could still be out of a job come September, according to Schools Chancellor Joel Klein.

NYPost.com


I found a good bit more of similar stories. See what I mean? Do be so fool hardy as to think you are insulated by a union.

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by lowercountry

There's no way you are that ignorant if you are a teacher. If you were a teacher, then you would know that text speak is perfectly acceptable... when you are texting on a darned phone! Otherwise, if makes you appears to be immature and uneducated.

Glad to see that NY students are being led by the best. Given your attitude and your use of the English language may be you need a union. I do not need a union to protect me because I do my job well.

Now go troll around the internet for formal and informal writing techniques and perhaps a copy of Emily Post's book of manners.



Here's what I am talking about (are you like a first year teacher?): I know quite a few teachers in NY who tell me that the budget is so bad that earlier in the fall programs out on LI were being dropped and teachers were having to provide all of their own supplies. When programs are cut instead of a day or two of a teacher furlough... well that is when the budget is balanced on the backs of the children.

It is obvious you do not really understand educational budgeting and public financing at all. Your concern is you and you only, as evidenced by the fact that you simply want a union to protect YOUR job.

See you in the unemployment line when the union there can't make the Albany folks balance the budget exactly the way that they want them to do.


To your other point? Unions have contributed somewhat to the economic woes, along of course, with many other factors. My point, which obviously was a bit too obtuse for you, is that no union can protect your job when the economy is such that the state has budget woes. What do you think... that the union can make the state keep you employed even when the money isn't there?

Some people just can't be bothered with understanding reality and truth - but great attempt on your part to teach this unfortunate teacher something

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Originally Posted by lowercountry

There's no way you are that ignorant if you are a teacher. If you were a teacher, then you would know that text speak is perfectly acceptable... when you are texting on a darned phone! Otherwise, if makes you appears to be immature and uneducated.

Glad to see that NY students are being led by the best. Given your attitude and your use of the English language may be you need a union. I do not need a union to protect me because I do my job well.

Now go troll around the internet for formal and informal writing techniques and perhaps a copy of Emily Post's book of manners.



Here's what I am talking about (are you like a first year teacher?): I know quite a few teachers in NY who tell me that the budget is so bad that earlier in the fall programs out on LI were being dropped and teachers were having to provide all of their own supplies. When programs are cut instead of a day or two of a teacher furlough... well that is when the budget is balanced on the backs of the children.

It is obvious you do not really understand educational budgeting and public financing at all. Your concern is you and you only, as evidenced by the fact that you simply want a union to protect YOUR job.

See you in the unemployment line when the union there can't make the Albany folks balance the budget exactly the way that they want them to do.


To your other point? Unions have contributed somewhat to the economic woes, along of course, with many other factors. My point, which obviously was a bit too obtuse for you, is that no union can protect your job when the economy is such that the state has budget woes. What do you think... that the union can make the state keep you employed even when the money isn't there?

And you think yr use of the english language is perfect. give me a break. You meant to say long time ago you did your job well. yr a retired old man who needs to catch up with the times. this thread is about thoughts and ideas not who can or can't write or command the english language. I can go back to your post and show u where you mispelled some words but thats not what this is about, so u can stop trying to sound intelligent because yr not and your views r very limited