this was new... check points (Monroe, Davidson: neighborhood, live in, law)

[Stripes17]

Instead of setting up roadblocks, they may want to start paying attention on patrol and begin pulling over people for the infractions being committed on the roadways. You can't drive a mile around here without seeing someone breaking the motor vehicle laws.

Start pulling these people over and you'll also pick up plenty of DL, registration, tag, insurance, seat belt and other infractions at the same time. Even a few DUIs too I am sure!

[Nativechief]

I wish we had alot more check points. I am happy to show Im legal in every way, Im a person who obeys our laws and those who arent need to be arrested and checked . Too many people driving that dont have insurance , IDS licence and green cards etc.. A great way to turn up the heat.

[Megax]

My concern is with regard to man-power and the use of resources, more than concern over the rights of the driver, etc. Then again, if the police officers are already scheduled to be working on a Saturday morning, I'm not sure how much other crime is being committed elsewhere during that time of day.

I know the rationale for these particular checkpoints are more 'administrative', but while on the topic of police checkpoints, in my opinion, the sheer lack of them is a major contributor to people making the poor decision to drink and drive. The odds of coming across a DUI checkpoint while departing uptown on a Friday or Saturday night is slim.
Like all crime, if you make someone feel like they'll be able to get away with something, the more likely they are to do it....whether it be driving without a license or murder.

When we were at college, there was essentially one bar off campus and one way to get there with a guaranteed road-block every Saturday night - I never heard of a single student get pulled for a DUI in 4yrs. That checkpoint took all the decision-making out of the hands of those drunks and for that I'm thankful.

[appalachick]

today at 11:00 am I drove down Old Monroe Rd and saw 2 Stallings officers with 1 vehicle pulled over. Then I turned onto 485 toward Pineville and saw about 4 police vehicles with 2 cars pulled over and then when I got off the S. Tryon exit and turned right, there were about 6 police vehicles with 2 more cars pulled over. Can't say I've seen that before. I have been through 2 or 3 checkpoints over the years in Union County. I think it was on holiday weekend nights.

[lumbollo]

Originally Posted by Hoagie58

Well, hell, if we let them do random residential searches, imagine how much crime could be averted!! Heck, lets just scrap the Constitution, and let whomever has power right now start governing as best they see fit! Hey, it worked in Nazi Germany!

How did a license check all of a sudden become a Nazi style let's knock down the doors in the middle of the night search? epic fail

[Hoagie58]

Originally Posted by lumbollo

How did a license check all of a sudden become a Nazi style residential search?

I refer you back to the search argument made earlier in this thread. Frankly, I dont see how it is the job of the police to verify license, registration, etc, with no probable cause. As much as I am against DWI/DUI, I am not even sure I agree with the legality of DUI checkpoints.

Every freedom we give away/allow to be reduced, is another freedom we cannot get back.

I agree completely with the earlier poster who said rather than running these checkpoints, LE should focus on the people who incessantly break the law. Failure to signal would be a great place to start- however, I guess you cant ticket someone if you violate the law yourself!

[lumbollo]

^You don't have a constitutional right to drive a vehicle on the highway. Furthermore NC Law requires you to carry documentation that you have earned the right to drive (license) and have the proper documentation on the vehicle you are driving. I have no problem with random license point checks to insure that people who are driving on the highway are supposed to be there.

I license check does not mean the police can order you to open up the vehicle for a search.

[Hoagie58]

Originally Posted by lumbollo

^You don't have a constitutional right to drive a vehicle on the highway. Furthermore NC Law requires you to carry documentation that you have earned the right to drive (license) and have the proper documentation on the vehicle you are driving. I have no problem with random license point checks to insure that people who are driving on the highway are supposed to be there.

I license check does not mean the police can order you to open up the vehicle for a search.

For your reading pleasure, I humbly submit: Driving A Right, Not A Privilege. Pay particular attention to case #4: Case # 4 - "Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal Liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the
territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.

Further: " Government, in requiring the people to file for "drivers Licenses, vehicle registrations, mandatory insurance, and demanding they stop for vehicle inspections, DUI/DWI roadblocks etc. without question, are "restricting", and therefore violating, the Peoples common law right to travel."

[Sean_CLT]

Well, you have the "right" to walk on roads to your destination. You don't have the "right" to drive (without a license, and properly registered and inspected vehicle).

Strictly speaking you don't even have the right to walk on all roads... Controlled access freeways to not allow pedestrians.

Try driving a car with expired plates and no drivers license, then refusing to accept a ticket ... and you will encounter a patrolman reading you your "rights".

[lumbollo]

^Haha that is a conspiracy site and he is offering an opinion. He also says this sort of thing about 9/11 being manufactured by our own government.

"Below I present what I think are incontrovertible reasons for concluding that the WTC/Pentagon crash bombings were a frame-up designed to benefit members of, at least, these four groups:

1) people profiting from the opium trade of the Northern Alliance drug lords and the money-laundering through global investment channels that the opium trade and the derivative heroin trade supports;

2) people seeking control of the $6 trillion worth of oil and natural gas in Central Asia;

3) people seeking to win back support to increasingly unpopular Sharonist policies in Israel; and

4) people arraigned before a grand jury on charges of fixing gold prices, illegal involvement in oil swaps between Kazakhstan and (sanctioned) Iran, and bribery in cases where all incriminating documentary evidence was stored in FBI files and data banks in one of the twin towers of the WTC. "

When you are googling up a URL to help you make a point, you ought to at least make sure it is credible. On the other hand maybe you do think 9/11 was a manufactured event by our own people. There are other amazing things on there too.

If not then if you want to prove that people have a constitutional right to drive on a state owned highway, all you have to do is cite the passage from the US Constitution. Let me know when you find it.