2008 Census Data for Charlotte (Cornelius, Arlington: incomes, educational, ranking)

[vindaloo]

Originally Posted by AtlantaGuy21

Atlanta has more Educational Opprotunities than Charlotte and and a higher graduate rate also

Being that Atlanta is over twice as large as Charlotte, I would think that there are more educational opportunities. You also have a higher graduate rate, but you know what? We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes. I have provided a list of current rankings for the cities with the most college educated people:

1. Seattle
2. San Francisco
3. Raleigh
4. Washington, D.C.
5. Austin
6. Atlanta
7. Minneapolis
8. Boston
9. Lexington, Ky
10. San Diego
11. Portland, Or
12. Oakland
13. Charlotte
14. Denver
15. Honolulu
16. Colorado Springs
17. Pittsburg
18. St. Paul
19. Cincinatti
20. Virginia Beach.

Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind.

[brichard]

Originally Posted by vindaloo

Being that Atlanta is over twice as large as Charlotte, I would think that there are more educational opportunities. You also have a higher graduate rate, but you know what? We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes.

Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind.

That median incomes list you refer to is probably based on the city proper, which will give a somewhat distorted result for cities like Charlotte and Raleigh that have loose annexation laws that allow them to gobble up more affluent areas. In certain other metros, those affluent areas would not be part of the central city, but would instead be a suburb or satellite city (and thus, excluded from this calculation). For example, Atlanta (which is bounded by confines of the county line of little Fulton County) and the District of Columbia (which is bounded by the VA and MD state lines) are mostly comprised of just the urban core of a huge metro area. The higher income areas of the DC metro region are places like Arlington, Virginia and Bethesda, Maryland, which are obviously not part of the city of Washington, DC (which cannot expand its city limits beyond the boundaries created over two centuries ago); whereas, the higher income areas of the Charlotte are places like Southpark, which ARE part of the city of Charlotte. Here's a list of top media household income by metro area:

Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area Population Median
Household Income
1 San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA 7,239,362 $63,024
2 Washington–Baltimore, DC–MD–VA–WV CMSA 7,608,070 $57,291
3 Anchorage, AK MSA 260,283 $55,546
4 Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN–WI MSA 3,368,806 $54,304
5 Boston–Worcester–Lawrence, MA–NH–ME–CT CMSA 5,819,101 $52,792
6 Hartford, CT MSA 1,183,110 $52,188
7 Atlanta, GA MSA 4,112,198 $51,948
8 Honolulu, HI MSA 876,156 $51,914
9 Rochester, MN MSA 124,277 $51,316
10 Denver–Boulder–Greeley, CO CMSA 2,581,506 $51,088
11 Chicago–Gary–Kenosha, IL–IN–WI CMSA 9,157,540 $51,046
12 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island, NY–NJ–CT–PA CMSA 21,199,865 $50,795
13 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA CMSA 3,554,760 $50,733
14 New London–Norwich, CT–RI MSA 293,566 $49,283
15 Madison, WI MSA 726,526 $49,223
16 Detroit–Ann Arbor–Flint, MI CMSA 5,456,428 $49,160
17 Austin–San Marcos, TX MSA 1,249,763 $48,950
18 Raleigh–Durham–Cary, NC MSA 1,187,941 $48,845
19 Fort Collins–Loveland, CO MSA 251,494 $48,655
20 Salt Lake City–Ogden, UT MSA 1,333,914 $48,594
21 Salinas, CA MSA 401,762 $48,305
22 Naples, FL MSA 251,377 $48,289
23 Philadelphia–Wilmington–Atlantic City, PA–NJ–DE–MD CMSA 6,188,463 $47,528
24 Appleton–Oshkosh–Neenah, WI MSA 358,365 $47,438
25 Dallas–Fort Worth, TX CMSA 5,221,801 $47,418
26 San Diego, CA MSA 2,813,833 $47,067
27 Bloomington–Normal, IL MSA 150,433 $47,021
28 Colorado Springs, CO MSA 516,929 $46,844
29 Richmond–Petersburg, VA MSA 996,512 $46,800
30 Burlington, VT MSA 169,391 $46,732
31 Santa Barbara–Santa Maria–Lompoc, CA MSA 399,347 $46,677
32 Des Moines, IA MSA 456,022 $46,651
33 Green Bay, WI MSA 226,778 $46,447
34 Sheboygan, WI MSA 112,646 $46,237
35 Cedar Rapids, IA MSA 191,701 $46,206
36 Kansas City, MO–KS MSA 1,776,062 $46,193
37 Milwaukee–Racine, WI CMSA 1,689,572 $46,132
38 Charlotte–Gastonia–Rock Hill, NC–SC MSA 1,499,293 $46,119
39 Grand Rapids–Muskegon–Holland, MI MSA 1,088,514 $46,116
40 Sacramento–Yolo, CA CMSA 1,796,857 $46,106
41 Portland–Salem, OR–WA CMSA 2,265,223 $46,090
42 Barnstable–Yarmouth, MA MSA 162,591 $46,034
43 Los Angeles–Riverside–Orange County, CA CMSA 16,373,645 $45,903
44 Provo–Orem, UT MSA 368,536 $45,833
45 Santa Fe, NM MSA 147,635 $45,822
46 Reno, NV MSA 339,486 $45,815
47 Indianapolis, IN MSA 1,607,486 $45,548
48 Janesville–Beloit, WI MSA 152,307 $45,517
49 Lancaster, PA MSA 470,658 $45,507
50 York, PA MSA 381,751 $45,268
51 Wausau, WI MSA 125,834 $45,165
52 West Palm Beach–Boca Raton, FL MSA 1,131,184 $45,062
53 Rockford, IL MSA 371,236 $44,988
54 Omaha, NE–IA MSA 716,998 $44,981
55 Cincinnati–Hamilton, OH–KY–IN CMSA 1,979,202 $44,914
56 Richland–Kennewick–Pasco, WA MSA 191,822 $44,886
57 Columbus, OH MSA 1,540,157 $44,782
58 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown, TX MSA 4,669,571 $44,761
59 Phoenix–Mesa, AZ MSA 3,251,876 $44,752
60 Reading, PA MSA 373,638 $44,714
61 Portland, ME MSA 243,544 $44,707
62 Kokomo, IN MSA 101,541 $44,531
63 Elkhart--Goshen, IN MSA 182,791 $44,478
64 Lansing–East Lansing, MI MSA 447,728 $44,441
65 St. Louis, MO–IL MSA 2,603,607 $44,437
66 Charlottesville, VA MSA 159,576 $44,356
67 Nashville, TN MSA 1,231,311 $44,223
68 Rochester, NY MSA 1,098,201 $43,955
69 Sioux Falls, SD MSA 172,412 $43,387
70 Albany–Schenectady–Troy, NY MSA 875,583 $43,250
71 Springfield, IL MSA 201,437 $43,180
72 Jackson, MI MSA 158,422 $43,171
73 Huntsville, AL MSA 342,376 $43,104
74 Allentown–Bethlehem–Easton, PA-NJ MSA 637,958 $43,098
75 Harrisburg–Lebanon–Carlisle, PA MSA 629,401 $43,022
76 Peoria–Pekin, IL MSA 347,387 $42,986
77 Fort Wayne, IN MSA 502,141 $42,817
78 Wichita, KS MSA 545,220 $42,651
79 Boise City, ID MSA 432,345 $42,570
80 Las Vegas, NV–AZ MSA 1,563,282 $42,468
81 Norfolk–Virginia Beach–Newport News, VA–NC MSA 1,569,541 $42,448
82 Jacksonville, FL MSA 1,100,491 $42,439
83 San Luis Obispo–Atascadero–Paso Robles, CA MSA 246,681 $42,428
84 St. Cloud, MN MSA 167,392 $42,321
85 Cleveland–Akron, OH CMSA 2,945,831 $42,215
86 Corvallis, OR MSA 78,153 $41,897
87 Orlando, FL MSA 1,644,561 $41,871
88 Lincoln, NE MSA 250,291 $41,850
89 Providence–Fall River–Warwick, RI–MA MSA 1,188,613 $41,748
90 Columbia, SC MSA 536,691 $41,677
91 Dayton–Springfield, OH MSA 950,558 $41,550
92 Fort Walton Beach, FL MSA 170,498 $41,474
93 Stockton–Lodi, CA MSA 563,598 $41,282
94 Topeka, KS MSA 169,871 $40,988
95 Dover, DE MSA 126,697 $40,950
96 Greensboro–Winston-Salem–High Point, NC MSA 1,251,509 $40,913
97 Louisville, KY–IN MSA 1,025,598 $40,821
98 Springfield, MA MSA 591,960 $40,740
99 Kalamazoo–Battle Creek, MI MSA 452,851 $40,710
100 Sarasota–Bradenton, FL MSA 589,959 $40,649

Highest-income metropolitan statistical areas in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lumbollo]

^Always good to see statements backed up with some kind of facts.

[vindaloo]

Originally Posted by brichard

That median incomes list you refer to is probably based on the city proper,

Yes, that was exactly what we were talking about. You should go back and read. Additionally, your data is very old. Atlanta outgrew Boston many years ago. LOL!! Check the dates. Besides, who cares? Median income in Cornelius where I live is $107,000.

[brichard]

Originally Posted by vindaloo

Yes, that was exactly what we were talking about. You should go back and read. Additionally, your data is very old. Atlanta outgrew Boston many years ago. LOL!! Check the dates. Besides, who cares? Median income in Cornelius where I live is $107,000.

Uh, hello, I did read. And I just went back and read your post again. It has only two statements with respect to your claim about median incomes:

1) "We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes."
2) "Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind."

How is one supposed to deduce from those two statements that the average median incomes YOU were talking about were based on city proper data, rather than metro area? I don't see one mention of "city proper" in those statements. And as far as the data being "very old," do you have an updated median income ranking you would like to post, or are you just trying to be argumentative? Oh, and the median household income in Arlington, VA is over $130K. So what's your point?

[vindaloo]

[quote=brichard;11413526]Uh, hello, I did read. And I just went back and read your post again. It has only two statements with respect to your claim about median incomes:

1) "We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes."
2) "Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind."

How is one supposed to deduce from those two statements that the average median incomes YOU were talking about were based on city proper data, rather than metro area? I don't see one mention of "city proper" in those statements.

Uh, Hello! back at you. I specifically said "City". Go back and check and then see an optician. It says "City". Get a translator. Have you already started happy hour.


And as far as the data being "very old," do you have an updated median income ranking you would like to post, or are you just trying to be argumentative?

The data I provided on cornelius is current as of the beginning of 'this' year.

Oh, and the median income in Arlington, VA is over $130K. So what's your point?

And I care about Arlington why? Gee, would that be where those thieving senators live? The difference is that people in Cornelius earn money, those in Arlington generally don't (except for the non-governmental types).

[brichard]

[quote=vindaloo;11413746]

Originally Posted by brichard

Uh, hello, I did read. And I just went back and read your post again. It has only two statements with respect to your claim about median incomes:

1) "We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes."
2) "Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind."

How is one supposed to deduce from those two statements that the average median incomes YOU were talking about were based on city proper data, rather than metro area? I don't see one mention of "city proper" in those statements.

Uh, Hello! back at you. I specifically said "City". Go back and check and then see an optician. It says "City". Get a translator. Have you already started happy hour.]

Wow, you're a real trip! Yes, you said "city" when you were talking about educational opportunities, but when you were talking about median income (which is the issue at hand here), you made no mention of "city." For the second time, here are the two statements you made with respect to median income:

1) "We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes."
2) "Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind."

Hmm, I don't see the word "city" there. And why the hell are you so bent out of shape about this? All I was doing was explaining how, looking at the big picture -- metro areas -- Atlanta has a higher median income. Why so sensitive? LOL!

[quote=vindaloo;11413746]

Originally Posted by brichard

And as far as the data being "very old," do you have an updated median income ranking you would like to post, or are you just trying to be argumentative?

The data I provided on cornelius is current as of the beginning of 'this' year.

Is this what you do when you get yourself caught in a trap and can't answer for yourself, you change the subject? The data you were referring to that you said was very old was the data I had posted showing metro areas ranked according to median income. What the hell does Cornelius have to do with that? Stick to the subject. Again, I repeat, do you have an updated median income ranking you would like to post, or are you just trying to be argumentative?

[quote=vindaloo;11413746]

Originally Posted by brichard

Oh, and the median income in Arlington, VA is over $130K. So what's your point?

And I care about Arlington why?

And I care about Cornelius why? Cornelius is as irrelevant to me as Arlington is to you, which is why I posted about Arlington in response to your comment about Cornelius, and then asked "so what's your point?" Get it now? Whew!

[quote=vindaloo;11413746]

Originally Posted by brichard

Gee, would that be where those thieving senators live? The difference is that people in Cornelius earn money, those in Arlington generally don't (except for the non-governmental types). [/b]

You obviously don't know much about Arlington. That statement would be like me referring to Cornelius as the place where thieving bankers live.

[AtlantaGuy21]

Originally Posted by sophialee

And your point is? I'm sure I could say the same thing about other cities vs. Atlanta. There IS an Atlanta forum btw.

There is a Atlanta forum but since this is a open forum I thought I might put my 2 cents in.

[AtlantaGuy21]

These Charlotte Forumers get swallowed everytime you give them a lil spotlight. The city grows a lil and now the people think charlotte is so ready to compete with the much much bigger citys.

[vindaloo]

[quote=brichard;11413985][quote=vindaloo;11413746]

Wow, you're a real trip! Yes, you said "city" when you were talking about educational opportunities, but when you were talking about median income (which is the issue at hand here), you made no mention of "city." For the second time, here are the two statements you made with respect to median income:

1) "We kick Atlanta's ass when it comes to median incomes."
2) "Charlotte is number 12 for median income. Atlanta is way behind."

Hmm, I don't see the word "city" there. And why the hell are you so bent out of shape about this? All I was doing was explaining how, looking at the big picture -- metro areas -- Atlanta has a higher median income. Why so sensitive? LOL!

[quote=vindaloo;11413746]

Is this what you do when you get yourself caught in a trap and can't answer for yourself, you change the subject? The data you were referring to that you said was very old was the data I had posted showing metro areas ranked according to median income. What the hell does Cornelius have to do with that? Stick to the subject. Again, I repeat, do you have an updated median income ranking you would like to post, or are you just trying to be argumentative?

[quote=vindaloo;11413746]

And I care about Cornelius why? Cornelius is as irrelevant to me as Arlington is to you, which is why I posted about Arlington in response to your comment about Cornelius, and then asked "so what's your point?" Get it now? Whew!

Originally Posted by vindaloo

You obviously don't know much about Arlington. That statement would be like me referring to Cornelius as the place where thieving bankers live.

Bite me!