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Old 11-03-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Thanks for finding that sb_295! At least, we know we're not likely to have early-onset Alzheimer's if we both remember that far back!

I do seem to remember that the ACLU challenged it in court almost immediately and the NJ Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional even before it had a chance to go into effect. I would imagine even if the NC legislature passed a similar bill, the NC Supreme Court would follow precedent set by NJ and CA.
Phooey! Well, they ought to try anyway. Maybe 3 times would be the charm.

I'd swear it went into effect, because I remember over-hearing some interesting conversations in Pathmark & Target.
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Old 11-03-2009, 09:01 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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I haven't really seen enough of the parents of accused teenagers to say which category most of them belong in. But I do know that both types of parents do exist. For the ones who are truly trying to provide and make a better life for their families, there needs to be more community assistance and resources available for these parents.
I hear this quite frequently and am curious what type of community assistance and resources folks feel they are entitled to just b/c they work. Most families have two parents who work or the kids are in a single parent household and come home alone in the evenings. Yet, most children are not criminals by age 15.

Some towns have community centers kids go to after school - and in some communities, churches open part of their building as a place for kids to gather. But these are typically grassroots efforts. I get the feeling when I hear people say "we need more community assistance and resources" they are usually saying the tax payers need to provide a solution. Not saying that is what you meant, AK - just saying that is what I have come to believe most people mean.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
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I hear this quite frequently and am curious what type of community assistance and resources folks feel they are entitled to just b/c they work. Most families have two parents who work or the kids are in a single parent household and come home alone in the evenings. Yet, most children are not criminals by age 15.

Some towns have community centers kids go to after school - and in some communities, churches open part of their building as a place for kids to gather. But these are typically grassroots efforts. I get the feeling when I hear people say "we need more community assistance and resources" they are usually saying the tax payers need to provide a solution. Not saying that is what you meant, AK - just saying that is what I have come to believe most people mean.
Well, I didn't say that people are "entitled" to these resources, but it benefits the entire community when something is in place. And in many cases, there are indeed resources/assistance/programs in place, but the parents may not know about them. And you're right, most kids aren't criminals by 15 but for those who are obviously going down that path, these community resources could very well help to prevent that.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:40 AM
 
Location: State of Being
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Well, I didn't say that people are "entitled" to these resources, but it benefits the entire community when something is in place. And in many cases, there are indeed resources/assistance/programs in place, but the parents may not know about them. And you're right, most kids aren't criminals by 15 but for those who are obviously going down that path, these community resources could very well help to prevent that.
I had some private communication maybe a year or more ago w/ a person who had posted on our forum and lived elsewhere. She told me about the community center in the small town where she grew up. It was an amazing success and was well supported by donations and with volunteer help. I have often wondered why we don't work to create community centers where kids have support from many different programs that are engaged with the kids, from Big Brothers to Girl Scouts. I guess it takes one person pushing it in a community and gaining consensus. It also takes volunteers or folks who can work for very little $$$. And it is not a fast process - engaging kids and getting them involved. But the longterm benefits could be real and meaningful.
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