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Old 11-05-2009, 05:05 PM
 
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CMS unveils controversial new teacher payment plan - Charlotte- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33656256 - broken link)

Not sure how I feel about this one. My initial reaction was, 'good, makes perfect sense for a teacher's pay to be based on their student's success rate'. Then I thought about how kids often do badly in school because of problems at home and those problems are usually things that a teacher has no control over. I also wonder if teachers will just pass kids to keep their pay increases...

Any thoughts?
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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I don't think it will matter. People who suck at their jobs fall into two categories: One, they are too stupid to know they are bad at what they do, or two, they don't care. Either way, I don't think a different pay scale would affect their job performance much. I completely disagree w/ Gorman's comments about teachers w/Masters degrees. An education degree is one of the easiest degrees you can get - I know plenty of people who couldn't hang in one major or another and switched to education - but people who go the extra mile to get a Masters usually want to be the best. Also, many teachers with Masters degrees have an undergraduate degree in a specialty area (science, math, English, etc), and it is a shame to discredit them so much. I think he's basically an idiot.
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:25 PM
 
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It seems like the teachers that work in schools in worse neighborhoods, where kids don't perform as well and it's arguably more difficult to teach, will really get a bum deal compared to teachers in the better districts where families have more money and parental involvement.

Also, while I don't think a graduate degree automatically makes one a better teacher, it seems logical that it probably makes one a better teacher. I'm not a parent, but if I were I would certainly prefer my kid's teacher to have a couple more years of education, and I would prefer them to be compensated accordingly.

You know, every other occupation has a means of assessing job performance and structuring salary based on it, why is it SO difficult to find a way to make sure teachers are competent without screwing them over in the process???
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:26 PM
 
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I don't necessarily have a problem with bonuses and such for quality teaching, but there are more questions than answers when you do this type of thing.

Who judges?
What about those teachers who are willing to take the lower scoring kids and work really hard with them without the stellar results?
What about special education, esl, art, etc....teachers? How will they qualify?
What about students who are often absent or just don't care when they are there?

Dawn
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a child's success rate now determined by his score on a standardized test at each grade level? If you teach the test & the child passes has he/she actually learned anything?
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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I don't think it will matter. People who suck at their jobs fall into two categories: One, they are too stupid to know they are bad at what they do, or two, they don't care. Either way, I don't think a different pay scale would affect their job performance much. I completely disagree w/ Gorman's comments about teachers w/Masters degrees. An education degree is one of the easiest degrees you can get - I know plenty of people who couldn't hang in one major or another and switched to education - but people who go the extra mile to get a Masters usually want to be the best. Also, many teachers with Masters degrees have an undergraduate degree in a specialty area (science, math, English, etc), and it is a shame to discredit them so much. I think he's basically an idiot.
I see, and what degree do you have and how are you using it to make money?
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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I have a marine science degree and I am a teacher.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:02 PM
 
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I have a marine science degree and I am a teacher.
Oh I see, then you have an up to date nc certification and teach in public schools..?
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:15 PM
 
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I am absolutely disgusted that the county is looking at ways to cut teacher's pay while giving the county manager a $38,400 bonus on top of his $215,655 annual salary. I agree that teachers should be held accountable but overcrowding classrooms and cutting educational budgets is making their jobs harder everyday. What has the county manager done to deserve his pay.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:10 AM
 
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I would have to disagree that an education degree is one of the easiest to get. When I went for my undergrad in education, I had to maintain a minimal of 3.4 to graduate with the program. In addition, the grading scale was changed for education majors as opposed to others - 94-100 A, etc. The first year we had to interview just to get into the department. We had many, many portfolios, research papers and projects to implement. It was a lot of work! Maybe this isn't the case at some colleges, but I don't think you can make a blanket statement for all education degrees.
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