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Old 01-05-2010, 08:01 AM
 
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In my book if you have to work for something to get it, then it is not an entitlement. This is the difference between Medicare and Medicaid which is simply Foodstamps for Healthcare. There is nothing similar or equivalent to Medicare and Medicaid (except the similar sounding name) yet they both continue to get slammed together as if they are something equivalent and they simply are not.

In regards to the care the Medicare provides I see it every day with my mom who was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago. She is getting excellent care and I would hate for anyone to have to deal with this without this or equivalent insurance which most people can't afford unless they are on a group plan with an employer. Someone with this diagnosis and without insurance would be completely and absolutely bankrupted. It's easy to dismiss these programs as irrelevant, irresponsible, and a waste until you get down to the individuals who actually depend upon on them. The real culprit here is not Medicare or even Medicaid, its the people like the head of Eatna getting paid $20M year while they deny coverage, the doctors who milk the system with endless tests from facilities they own, and the drug companies profiteering off their effective monopoly on drugs in the USA.
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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In my book if you have to work for something to get it, then it is not an entitlement. This is the difference between Medicare and Medicaid which is simply Foodstamps for Healthcare. There is nothing similar or equivalent to Medicare and Medicaid (except the similar sounding name) yet they both continue to get slammed together as if they are something equivalent and they simply are not.

In regards to the care the Medicare provides I see it every day with my mom who was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks ago. She is getting excellent care and I would hate for anyone to have to deal with this without this or equivalent insurance which most people can't afford unless they are on a group plan with an employer. Someone with this diagnosis and without insurance would be completely and absolutely bankrupted.
Yes, bankruptcy is the whole point of insurance, whether it is private insurance, Medicare and Medicaid.

You are wrong to refer to Medicaid as foodstamps for healthcare. That is not a very informed statement. Medicare and Medicaid are both types of insurance. Medicaid can be a godsend, especially for children who otherwise would get no healthcare treatment. Sadly, the regs on Medicaid are so tight (right now) that many people who are employed but living lives of subsistence still do not qualify, which is what one of the posters referred to earlier (people who own a house but are living hand to mouth yet cannot get healthcare coverage).

Your mother has cancer and I am thankful she is getting good care. No citizen in this country should have to worry about receiving good healthcare, especially for major illnesses, which can cost literally hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Other folks have mothers with cancer, too, and just b/c they are poor it doesn't mean they should be disparaged as societal parasites b/c they qualify for Medicaid - or Medicare, for that matter, which has very low requirements in order to qualify for benefits once a person reaches 65.
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Old 01-05-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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I personally have no problem with what Food Stamps are suppose to do, so I don't consider Food Stamps for Medicaid to be a disparaging term for that program. As I said in my statement (which I did edit while you were responding) I don't consider it to be the problem.

In any case, the money spent on these programs isn't an issue for this country. At least it is being spent on individuals to help them in their lives. If you want to get upset at something, then I recommend directing the effort towards the money being poured into the finance industry. This is what is destroying the USA and is burdening us with debt that our ancestors will be pay for a long time. Medicare is irrelevant in comparison.
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Old 01-05-2010, 10:30 AM
 
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The real culprit here is ....and the drug companies profiteering off their effective monopoly on drugs in the USA.
I cannot speak to your other points, but to simply label the drug companies as a bunch of profiteers who have an effective monopoly on drugs (they don't - the generics come along several years later and cash in without a dime of R&D work; the major reason for high drug costs) who are only in it for the money is an ill-informed, well-played soundbyte which ignores any real facts regarding the development and sale of pharmaceuticals (and the costs thereof).

Yes I work in pharma research, so maybe I do have a bias (and I'm stating that here), but my response to your comment about the pharma industry is (to quite Col. Potter from M*A*S*H): "horse hockey."
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:17 AM
 
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Monopoly means unfair control over supply by business due to government policy and/or legislation. I am referring to the fact that it is legally difficult to purchase drugs outside the USA, where they cost 1/2 as much, and bring them in for use. The Health Care bill from the senate preserves this status quo.
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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If the government runs Health Care the way they run other agencies, ie The Employment Security Commission I can imagine how it will be. A person could die before getting a doctor's appointment. You could go to the emergency room with a broken bone and get a lobotomy.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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If the government runs Health Care the way they run other agencies, ie The Employment Security Commission I can imagine how it will be. A person could die before getting a doctor's appointment. You could go to the emergency room with a broken bone and get a lobotomy.
Are you familiar with Medicare that almost 100% of the elderly in this country use for health care? Or the VA that soldiers and veterans use? Neither program has these kinds of issues.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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Are you familiar with Medicare that almost 100% of the elderly in this country use for health care? Or the VA that soldiers and veterans use? Neither program has these kinds of issues.
Ummm. Have you read anything about the VA in the last 30 years????

And as far as Medicare . . . have you seen how many FEET of regulations have to be dealt with b/f anyone gets reimbursed for anything? Have you ever dealt with a medical issue that is NOT covered by Medicare?
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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Are you familiar with Medicare that almost 100% of the elderly in this country use for health care? Or the VA that soldiers and veterans use? Neither program has these kinds of issues.
Sure every thing is great...but one little problem - Medicsocialism is just "underfunded" by 74 TRILLION DOLLARS. Minor detail.

"Other than that little 'issue' Mrs Lincoln the play was great...no?"

Markets and Medicare - WSJ.com
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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Ummm. Have you read anything about the VA in the last 30 years???? ....
I know my Dad gets excellent treatment from the VA hospital in Charleston. He had cancer a few years back and they have given him the right treatments to put it into complete remission. They even run a shuttle to pick him up so he doesn't have to drive the 90 miles to get to it. From what I can see, he has a much easier time of it than I would trying to use my insurance to go to a hospital.
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