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Old 02-16-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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What exactly does "down the street" mean? Ballantyne is a large geographic area...t

There is low-income housing in close proximity to areas like Elizabeth, Dilworth, Myers Park, Eastover, South Park (Barclay Downs, etc), Cotswold and the like. And by school free-lunch standards, there are already low-income pockets of Ballantyne. While Ballantyne elementaries FRL numbers are among the lowest in CMS, they did increase from <10% last year to something like 15% this year.

I have still yet to figure out if people are against any kind of housing at this site, or just the proposed project....
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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His interpretation was correct. He also included a link to the statute in his email here: http://www.city-data.com/forum/12832867-post102.html

Basically what it means is if there is a legitimate reason to vote it down, then that's not discrimination.

But if you're voting it down simply because it's section 8, then it's discrimination. That is, if you believe in the American Dream and hard work, earning your pay and making a living. That's apparently discrimination these days.
This was the definition in that statute which was passed. It doesn't mean that it is discrimination, as it will take one lawsuit to send it to the court and they will decide if the law stands or not. IMO, the the way it is written it's ambiguous, puts the burden of proof on the one being accused instead of the one making the accusation, and redefines the federal definition of discrimination. These are all reasons it could be declared unconstitutional and it wouldn't be the first time NC passed an unconstitutional law.

None the less while it is on the books, and until challenged, the politicians will use it to serve the special interests and use it to duck for cover. This was a law written for the special interests, hence the constitutionality issues and it didn't take them long to strike with this project. The entire, "you can't say what everyone knows", part is a part of that.

Again, I think the only case for a successful battle against it is to make it a case of the city and the housing authorities failure to put good decent people in these places. Hold them responsible for past results on this issue instead of them placing ownership of the issue on Raleigh rather than local. Of course there is always the lawsuit approach.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:17 AM
 
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I am against any new housing in Ballantyne, low-income or not. In the last 18 months there has been an EXPLOSION of multi-unit buildings go up in this area (and I mean less than 1 SQ MILE). They built a new shopping center at Johnston Road and Ardrey Kell (two stoplights down from the suggested site) and it has literally sprung a dozen new apartment, townhouse, condo, etc., buildings that are EMPTY. The traffic in this area is HORRENDOUS and our schools are mobbed. WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE MULTI-UNIT RESIDENCES in this area.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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I don't even want that Walgreens on the opposite corner. How many more drugstores do we need in that area?? There's already 2 CVSs, 2 Harris Teeters and a Rite Aid.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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I don't doubt this at all.

I also don't know that Hidden Valley and Ballantyne are very comparable, in terms of geography and layout. Hidden Valley is more of a small, traditional neighborhood with connecting streets, while Ballantyne is huge area made up of a lot of different sub-divisions, etc. Essentially much more suburban and not as interconnected as a Hidden Valley, or a Plaza Midwood, NoDA, etc.

Different subject, but actually, Hidden Valley is quite suburban. The subdivision is much larger, but there are only one or two ways in and out of there. Cops who patrol the area say that's one of the difficulties of policing that neighborhood, there are just so many places to hide and it's difficult to get around quickly.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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I don't even want that Walgreens on the opposite corner. How many more drugstores do we need in that area?? There's already 2 CVSs, 2 Harris Teeters and a Rite Aid.
I'm with you there .

It seems that if the area stays commercial most of the traffic will happen randomly through the day and not affect the terrible rush hour traffic that currently exists.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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We need another drugstore like we need another dry-cleaner or Harris Teeter. Seriously, if you live in between Johnston and Rea, there are literally six HT's within a five minute drive: Ballantyne Commons and Johnston, Ballantyne Commons and Rea (Strone Crest), Johnston and Ardrey Kell, Rea and Ardrey Kell, Providence Road and Ardrey Kell.... it never stops!
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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What exactly does "down the street" mean? Ballantyne is a large geographic area...t

There is low-income housing in close proximity to areas like Elizabeth, Dilworth, Myers Park, Eastover, South Park (Barclay Downs, etc), Cotswold and the like. And by school free-lunch standards, there are already low-income pockets of Ballantyne. While Ballantyne elementaries FRL numbers are among the lowest in CMS, they did increase from <10% last year to something like 15% this year.

I have still yet to figure out if people are against any kind of housing at this site, or just the proposed project....
Do you live in Ballantyne?
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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Read this speech from the Sec. of HUD. . . and sift thru/ the coded language . . . and you will see exactly what is going on with our city council and their determination to spread what is being called "affordable housing" throughout this city.

It is a mandate, of sorts. And the federal government is pouring money into the mandate.

And yes, this is local - Charlotte is mentioned in the speech. And yes, it definitely applies to this thread and the topic.

U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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See below for an article in the Biz Journal from a few years back about a proposed Housing Authority re-development of the Strawn Apartments on South Blvd in the South End/Dilworth...currently low-income senior housing proposed to turn into mixed-into housing with a much bigger footprint with 850+ units...

South End site in the mix - Charlotte Business Journal:
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