Crime/Gangs in Charlotte (credit, relocate, tornado)

[bundydad]

Originally Posted by WilliamB

Lol- Is Joesph McCarthy your hero since you both have the trait of making up stuff. LV crime is on a 5 year downward decline. Also, the predominant crime reported is auto-theft in which the "face" of it are white male teens and white males in their early 20s. Why don't you call the Sheriffs dept. in LV and ask him about crime and the inaccuracy of the FBIs data? It's wrong. You may learn something too.

I think there's a militia somewhere in Oregeon that will embrace your philosophy and worldview with open arms

So the FBI crime stats are wrong, really. Who do you think gives them the stats- the local law enforcement agencies. Of course the sheriff will tell you that LV has a 5 year decline in crime. LV is one big mirage. Let me give you a scenario that is common on strip crime that can be found on the internet. You are approached in a parking lot by 3 males and are punched and robbed of 500 dollars. You are taken to a local hospital and treated and released. The police take a report. The rest of the city, and other tourist never hear of it , why. Because the politicans dont want the people to hear any negative about the safety of tourist who drive the STATES economy. The police department does not divulge these crimes for obvious reasons to the newspapers. The only strip crime that you will read about is when a casino is robbed and the have video they want to release in hopes of an arrest. BTW 90% of auto crime is an organized operation where the car litterally disapears. Have you ever heard of a "chop shop". The other 10% are teenage joyrides. When you and your family are approached in that isolated parking lot good luck and get a good description of the bad guys. Too bad they aren't there to steal a car. Do a google search - Las Vegas Strip Crime. And get conformation from VegasGirl.

[bundydad]

Originally Posted by Vegas Grl

Hey there T.S,

They've reported on how these gangs are infiltrating "good" areas of Charlotte and how in some states you know what areas to stay away from but they're "mobile" in Charlotte. I wan't sure what to believe which is why I posted here since I could probably get real information from locals than from hysterical reporters trying to sell magazines. I live in Henderson which is somewhat of a suburb and I feel safe there, there are parts of Vegas that I as well as a lot of other residents here will not go to because of the crime. There are some neighborhoods that actually are scary to be caught in at night and even during the day.

Can you tell me and WilliamB if any of these "scary" neighborhoods are predominantly white, that would be the day.

[WilliamB]

Originally Posted by bundydad

So the FBI crime stats are wrong, really. Who do you think gives them the stats- the local law enforcement agencies. Of course the sheriff will tell you that LV has a 5 year decline in crime. LV is one big mirage. Let me give you a scenario that is common on strip crime that can be found on the internet. You are approached in a parking lot by 3 males and are punched and robbed of 500 dollars. You are taken to a local hospital and treated and released. The police take a report. The rest of the city, and other tourist never hear of it , why. Because the politicans dont want the people to hear any negative about the safety of tourist who drive the STATES economy. The police department does not divulge these crimes for obvious reasons to the newspapers. The only strip crime that you will read about is when a casino is robbed and the have video they want to release in hopes of an arrest. BTW 90% of auto crime is an organized operation where the car litterally disapears. Have you ever heard of a "chop shop". The other 10% are teenage joyrides. When you and your family are approached in that isolated parking lot good luck and get a good description of the bad guys. Too bad they aren't there to steal a car. Do a google search - Las Vegas Strip Crime. And get conformation from VegasGirl.

Oh, I see. It's a political conspiracy? Lol, next you'll tell me there really is a spaceship in Rosewell
Bundy come on, your response is weak (I honestly expected you to come back with a bit more fact than fiction). It's not very difficult to dissect your response. First you argue that the stats come from local law enforcement, then in the very next sentence you point out the Sheriff's office is part of some city-wide conspiracy to conceal crime in LV and therefore can't be trusted. Which is it- it can't be both. You then cite an example of a mugging that can happen in any major city in America- it adds zero creditibility to your [weak] arguement.

Then you point me to the "internet" to corroborate your example. That's like sending someone to the beach to find water and sand. Again, it adds nothing to your point.

Am I asking to much? For you to support your comments with facts that can be verified? I asked you to call the Sheriffs department for the stats, but obviously you don't want to hear the truth, so you'll leave with the conspiracy in your mind (which I'm sure you have many friends their in your world).

I do honestly respect your right to voice an opinion- however an opinion that is baseless (i.e., your original tizzy on the face of gangs) isn't worth the hot air they are spoken into (or the electrons used to display it).

Have a great day

[bundydad]

Originally Posted by WilliamB

Oh, I see. It's a political conspiracy? Lol, next you'll tell me there really is a spaceship in Rosewell
Bundy come on, your response is weak (I honestly expected you to come back with a bit more fact than fiction). It's not very difficult to dissect your response. First you argue that the stats come from local law enforcement, then in the very next sentence you point out the Sheriff's office is part of some city-wide conspiracy to conceal crime in LV and therefore can't be trusted. Which is it- it can't be both. You then cite an example of a mugging that can happen in any major city in America- it adds zero creditibility to your [weak] arguement.

Then you point me to the "internet" to corroborate your example. That's like sending someone to the beach to find water and sand. Again, it adds nothing to your point.

Am I asking to much? For you to support your comments with facts that can be verified? I asked you to call the Sheriffs department for the stats, but obviously you don't want to hear the truth, so you'll leave with the conspiracy in your mind (which I'm sure you have many friends their in your world).

I do honestly respect your right to voice an opinion- however an opinion that is baseless (i.e., your original tizzy on the face of gangs) isn't worth the hot air they are spoken into (or the electrons used to display it).

Have a great day

Hey Billy, the Sheriff is handing you a line of crap. They claim the FBI stats are wrong but THEY give them the stats, so that is BS. When the local paper calls for any newswothy news to report it is not uncommon for crimes on the strip to be held back. Its not illegal but lacks integrity. They dont want the strip to become a place that people fear. If that happens there will be less revenue generated from tax dollars to pay for city sevices ie. police. Trust me the Sheriff's stats are not always what they seem and are manipulated to form a positive light to raise their image. BTW what is the face of MS-13, Bloods, Crips?

[WilliamB]

Originally Posted by bundydad

Hey Billy, the Sheriff is handing you a line of crap. They claim the FBI stats are wrong but THEY give them the stats, so that is BS. When the local paper calls for any newswothy news to report it is not uncommon for crimes on the strip to be held back. Its not illegal but lacks integrity. They dont want the strip to become a place that people fear. If that happens there will be less revenue generated from tax dollars to pay for city sevices ie. police. Trust me the Sheriff's stats are not always what they seem and are manipulated to form a positive light to raise their image. BTW what is the face of MS-13, Bloods, Crips?

Sooooooo, your source is....? Oh, sorry I see you said "trust me", so the source is your imagination....No probs, we can go with that. How is the weather in your world btw?

The face of MS-13, Bloods, Cribs is inner city latino and blacks, typically from improverished communities. Hmm, since we are pointing out "faces" of organizations and you are calling the names of very popular gangs, can you help me with descriptive backgrounds of well known organizations such as the KKK, The Neo Nazzis, the US Militia? Being that you are fair and impartial, I think you should have no problem being "real" (as you say) about it. Once you've honestly answered that and I think you are someone of integrity depsite our little tat for tat, we now have established every major ethnic group has a sub-culture that embraces extremist points of view. While you rightfully bring up the cribs and bloods, you fail to even consider someone that looks like you (and me) could conceive,organize and spew a venom of hate that is orders of magnitude more intense than LA gangs.

Oh btw, the face of our Secretary of State is a black woman and her predecessor was a black man (who was once chair of the Joint Chiefs), the CEO of American Express (which I assume you never leave home without) is a black man. Hmm, I think I smell something burning- oh your just trying to make that square peg of truth fit into the round holes of your world view- creating a lot of friction.

Have a great one

[bundydad]

Originally Posted by WilliamB

Sooooooo, your source is....? Oh, sorry I see you said "trust me", so the source is your imagination....No probs, we can go with that. How is the weather in your world btw?

The face of MS-13, Bloods, Cribs is inner city latino and blacks, typically from improverished communities. Hmm, since we are pointing out "faces" of organizations and you are calling the names of very popular gangs, can you help me with descriptive backgrounds of well known organizations such as the KKK, The Neo Nazzis, the US Militia? Being that you are fair and impartial, I think you should have no problem being "real" (as you say) about it. Once you've honestly answered that and I think you are someone of integrity depsite our little tat for tat, we now have established every major ethnic group has a sub-culture that embraces extremist points of view. While you rightfully bring up the cribs and bloods, you fail to even consider someone that looks like you (and me) could conceive,organize and spew a venom of hate that is orders of magnitude more intense than LA gangs.

Oh btw, the face of our Secretary of State is a black woman and her predecessor was a black man (who was once chair of the Joint Chiefs), the CEO of American Express (which I assume you never leave home without) is a black man. Hmm, I think I smell something burning- oh your just trying to make that square peg of truth fit into the round holes of your world view- creating a lot of friction.

Have a great one

I dont fear for myself or my family from being a victim of the KKK, Neo Nazi's or any US Militia but I and you should fear "inner city" gang members. Compare the two groups. 99% of the crime is by the inner city gangs. But when a crime is commited by a "white" gang it becomes national news. Why? Early this morning a New Jersy police officer was killed by Raynard Brown, an associated of the blood street gang. Do you think that will make national news. Too bad we don't get the opportunity to mingle with the face of the people you mention above, but we may be unfortunate enough to meet the face of a Raynard Brown. PS i have worked and retired from a large police department and know how crime stats could be manipulated, its a dog and pony show most of the time, trust me.

[WilliamB]

Originally Posted by bundydad

I dont fear for myself or my family from being a victim of the KKK, Neo Nazi's or any US Militia but I and you should fear "inner city" gang members. Compare the two groups. 99% of the crime is by the inner city gangs. But when a crime is commited by a "white" gang it becomes national news. Why? Early this morning a New Jersy police officer was killed by Raynard Brown, an associated of the blood street gang. Do you think that will make national news. Too bad we don't get the opportunity to mingle with the face of the people you mention above, but we may be unfortunate enough to meet the face of a Raynard Brown. PS i have worked and retired from a large police department and know how crime stats could be manipulated, its a dog and pony show most of the time, trust me.

Well, I definitely appreciate your honesty. You are at least keeping it real. I was a bit stunned that you fear only non-white extremist groups. Wow. You're most likely not aware that a significant number of white people were killed by the white-extremist groups during the civil rights area of the late 50s and 60s. The whites that chose to excercise a constitutional right to side with civil rights movement. So, the relevance of that point? The relevance is that pretty much anyone that disagrees with their world view is considered the enemy. Their world view usually begins with getting rid of all minorities (blacks and latinos,asians), then all those with a different religous background (usually jews,muslims and those that don't agree with their warped Christian-Cult doctrine), and then the white people who still don't conform to their world view. Unlike the civil discord you and I are having, they argue with the intent of eliminating those that are not like them.

I take it you've never heard of Emmitt Teal. A Young black boy who was head was bashed in to the point it was hard to recognize his body as being human. So your point is valid, had he been white, he wouldn't have been harmed- his crime was being black, and was brutilized by the same groups you have no problem with.

By your own point, since 99% of all crime is commited by gangs, and therefore by inference, blacks and latinos, then you are 100% safe in a 100% white environment. I assume you become fearful when someone that does not look like you, bags your groceries, is a receptionist at the dental office, or works on your car, or *gasp* is in law enforcement.

You mentioned the tragedy of the officer who was killed. I did try and attempt to find an article about it in a NJ newspaper but couldn't-quite possibly it's to new. However I assume you mentioned that to support my above conclusion about the "us vs. them".

I will be honest, I thought you'd at least mention that many of the gang related crimes are socio-economic based and not so much race- you are not going to see an upper middle class black/latino kid gang banging. You will find a poor white kids in gangs.

Anyway, you've kept it real and didn't skirt how you really feel. I'm glad it's now in black and white for the world to see....

Have a great one always...

[doublet]

Originally Posted by WilliamB

I will be honest, I thought you'd at least mention that many of the gang related crimes are socio-economic based and not so much race- you are not going to see an upper middle class black/latino kid gang banging. You will find a poor white kids in gangs.

There it is, Vegas Girl...it's an economic issue, NOT a race issue. And Charolotte is a city of people from mixed socio-economic levels, living side by side. There has been gang activity reported in Charlotte, however, it is not daily news. I've lived in Charlotte for 10 years, the past 6 in a "transitional" neighborhood, and have not encountered any crime other than property theft.

Areas to avoid: north Tryon up to the 29/49 split, the west side of town (hence your unsafe feeling on Freedom), the airport area, South Blvd (South of newly developed, expensive South End), Albemarle Rd. off Independence Blvd.

My neighborhood (called NoDa, short for N. Davidson) has been undergoing gentrification for the past 10 years, and most of the older, poorer families and starving artists have been pushed out and replaced by yuppies. But even so, we are still a diverse neighborhood with blacks, whites and hispanics, homeowners and renters, all living together in relative harmony. Our streets are still sprinkled with drug dealers, prostitutes, and staggering men carrying beer in paper bags, but I have never felt any threat to my safety.

One of the kindest and most community-oriented people I know here is a middle aged, down-on-her-luck, alcohol-addicted prostitute. She is gentle and attentive with my 3-yr-old son, always offers to help me with my groceries when she sees me unloading, and addresses me as Ms. Tara. I guess what I am saying is that what you see and read/hear about is rarely the entire picture.

[Vegas Grl]

doublet,

Thank you so very much for your input, it's put my mind at ease and it's helping me see more than just what the reports had to say. Thank you again and I sincerely appreciate it! =D

[Carolina_native]

PC aside, yes Charlotte has gangs. It is true that Charlotte PD often renames gang violence for other words. For example, the past two years in a row, the July 4th skyshow in downtown Charlotte has been affected by fighting and violence. WBTV news even showed these thugs flashing gang signs and wearing their colors and bandanas. Last 4th, someone was shot in the head in downtown.

The police chief doesnt call it gang violence, and wouldnt call it a riot. Just people acting up.