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Old 05-01-2014, 06:46 PM
 
Location: plano
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For 2013 the numbers are:

Escalade: 20,542
Infiniti QX56/QX80: 13,148

Not quite the rout that you think it is.

Not sure why you posted just February numbers.
Thanks for the data, I am not surprised it's this close. The current QX is a great vehicle, it outsells Escalade where I live where there is an Infiniti dealer readily available.

What's your data source? I would like to track it going forward.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Lots of pushrod engines can be built for 8500-9k rpm.

See Nascar. Not only that but they make 900ish hp and drive wide open for hours, with pushrods.

Pushrods ftw.
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Thanks for the data, I am not surprised it's this close. The current QX is a great vehicle, it outsells Escalade where I live where there is an Infiniti dealer readily available.

What's your data source? I would like to track it going forward.
GOOD CAR BAD CAR
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Old 05-02-2014, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Lots of pushrod engines can be built for 8500-9k rpm.

See Nascar. Not only that but they make 900ish hp and drive wide open for hours, with pushrods.

Pushrods ftw.
Lots?

NASCAR is lots? Handbuilt racing engines are hardly a good example. Formula 1 engines run to 18,000 RPM.

By and large, the world's automakers have chosen OHC designs. GM/Holden, Chrysler/Dodge, Harley, and lawnmowers are the notable exceptions.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Well, it's kind of like owing a 4 horse trailer and complaining that a GTi will not tow it. You have to look at the right tool for the job. My Volt doesn't tow my 30 ft travel trailer, or carry 4x8 sheets of sheetrock. That's what my Suburban is for. And the Suburban doesn't get used for commuting duties (not with an 8.1 liter gas engine that gets 11 mpg on a good day). The Volt is what it is, a range extended EV commuter car that is well equipped, fun, quick, and never has to go to the gas station in day to day commuting duty.
i think you're missing what I'm saying. a 5 passenger Volt would open it up to a lot more potential buyers who really really really want them to announce a 5 passenger vehicle. It's nice that you can have a Suburban parked. But the bottom line is, my wife drops the kids off at daycare in the morning, and i pick them up in the afternoon. so bucket seats in the rear of either vehicle means I have to cross it off my list. The Volt works fine for a lot of people. I like it a lot. I'd like it a lot more if/when they figure out a 5 passenger model. I don't need a CUV model, just a 5 passenger model.
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Old 05-02-2014, 08:59 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Again, the right tool for the job. If you have a Mormon sized family, then you need a larger vehicle to do anything. MOST people don't carry more than one or two people day to day, Studies have proven it.

There are 200 million drivers in the US. 200 million. How many PHEVs can a manufacturer even MAKE at any given time? Even if you made ones that are perfect for a mere 1% of drivers, that's still 2 million cars, and that's a success. And how long would it take to make 2 million PHEVs? Simply put they don't have to make one that is perfect for everybody. No one makes a car that is perfect for every possible use, so why do we expect it from a car like the Volt or ELR?
the main reason why the Volt doesn't have a 5 passenger set up is so that they don't have to cut trunk space. You seem to be arguing that more people would be able to buy the Volt than currently do. I'm not saying the Volt doesn't work well for a lot of people....I'm simply saying, there are people like me (hardly a mormon sized family) that would really like one, but can't even consider it because of the bucket seats. I liked the VW that came out but as soon as i saw it had bucket seats (and this was long before EVs were in the discussion), I realized it would be a short term car for us (we didn't have kids yet, but knew we wanted at least 2).

I think you think I'm arguing for a car that suits everyone's needs. I'm not. I'm just really hoping for a good 5-passenger option which I think the best shot is the Volt. The Leaf is too narrow in the rear hip room, but i may start figuring out how we can fit into it if it's the only option in the 5 passenger choices for a PHEV or EV.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:26 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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But Volt sales are DECLINING. Others are increasing, in some cases strongly (Leaf, C-Max, Tesla). Prius sales are flat/declining.
2014 Volt:

Jan: 918 (16.8% of total EV sales)
Feb: 1210 (17.2% of total)
Mar: 1478 (15.8% of total)
Apr: 1548 (not meaningful until all model info reports)

Leaf

Jan: 1252
Feb: 1425
Mar: 2507
Apr: 2088

Tesla:

Jan: 800
Feb: 1400
Mar: 1600
Apr: 1100

C-Max:

Jan: 471
Feb: 552
Mar: 610
Apr: Unavailable

Total EVs:

Jan: 5450
Feb: 7055
Mar: 9376
Apr: 6986 (data for multiple models not available yet)
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:41 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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For 2013 the numbers are:

Escalade: 20,542
Infiniti QX56/QX80: 13,148

Not quite the rout that you think it is.

Not sure why you posted just February numbers.
so the escalade sold 56% more units than the QX56 + QX80?

What's your definition of a rout?
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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thats beemer or mercadez money. and that cadi is just butt ugly on the inside
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Old 05-05-2014, 03:55 AM
 
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PBS Motorweek did a review of the ELR this past week. I'm the first to admit this show has been turned into a fluff promtion where they rarely say anything bad about any car they review. In the case of the ELR however they were really struggling to say much of anything that would really compel anyone to look at it again.

What surprised me the most was in how slow this car is acceleration wise. Close to 9 seconds for 0-60 which is pretty bad for a vehicle costing $82K (their price). This is the kind of acceleration that I get from my 13 year old 2 ton SUV. They also didn't care for the ELR's handling either the obstacle course. It's surprising as the Tesla, which they like to compare themselves to, is a rocket in comparison. (as are most electrics)

Ironically they also reviewed the 2014 Merc S550 on the same show. It was quite a contrast in the difference between Cadillac and Mercedes Benz and where they have headed with their luxury/sport offerings and new technology. I'm willing to bet many many many more S550s will be sold than ELRs despite having a tested price of $122K.
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