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Old 04-10-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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Musclecarclub.com - Muscle Cars - Buick Grand National and Regal T-Type

They ran low 14's in the 1/4 mile, which is O.K. by most gearhead standards. Yes, they were faster than most of the other junk being built in the 80's, but let's not lose track of the fact that they ran in the low 14's stock.

Even the baddest of the bad (GNX) only ran in the mid-13's out of the box, which is still only decent by most respectible gearhead standards. They are popular because they are so different - not because they were the fastest cars ever built.
I went to plenty of "Friday night outlaws" nights at Atco Raceway back in the late 80's early 90's. There weren't many if any 13 second cars that drove there under their own power.

In fact they had to apply a multiplier of 2 to bracket the GN's so they were considered 462 cubic inches and pit against big block Chevelles and the like.
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Old 04-10-2009, 03:53 PM
 
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incorrect. There has been NO new blocks for many years. Parts (normal body and replacement parts) are getting very expensive and hard to find. I should know, I was on the forefront of GN restorations for many years.

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I would keep the car you got and just buy a GN for side use... As far as parts; there plentiful, they even have fresh new v6 engines built just for race use....


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Old 04-10-2009, 06:14 PM
 
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incorrect. There has been NO new blocks for many years. Parts (normal body and replacement parts) are getting very expensive and hard to find. I should know, I was on the forefront of GN restorations for many years.

Maybe I worded myself wrong I'm talking about after market blocks.

Aluminum Engine Blocks, 231 Turbo V6 Buick Aluminum Cylinder Block, TA_V3800 | TAPerformance.com
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Old 04-11-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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yea TA has aluminum aftermarket blocks that are for racing only. They are $4000 for the bare block and to build one it would take another $5000 at least.. These blocks have no previsions for street use as in mounting boss's and such for accessories

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Maybe I worded myself wrong I'm talking about after market blocks.

Aluminum Engine Blocks, 231 Turbo V6 Buick Aluminum Cylinder Block, TA_V3800 | TAPerformance.com
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Old 04-11-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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yea TA has aluminum aftermarket blocks that are for racing only. They are $4000 for the bare block and to build one it would take another $5000 at least.. These blocks have no previsions for street use as in mounting boss's and such for accessories

"TA Performance, again has gone were no other Buick parts vendor has gone before... The first ever aftermarket Buick cylinder block! Designed specifically for the performance minded Turbo 6 enthusiast, this block offers the strength and options that previous blocks did not provide. The TA block incorporates superior rigidity and similar cubic inch potential to the Stage 2 iron blocks with out alienating the street and strip individual.
This block incorporates all the necessary features to be used as a replacement block for a daily driver all the way to a 2000 HP full race application."


http://www.taperformance.com/proddet...?prod=TA_V3800






Weber Raceing also carrys a block for 1000 bucks if 3k is too much...

http://weberracing.net/Engine-Type-G...duct_info.html










Or you can just buy a short block from Weber Racing for 3k and do the rest yourself in the garage.


"Weber Racing Equipment has built hundreds of Turbo Buick engines over the years and many of them were this build. Many of these run mid 10's, several low 10's, a few in the 9's (we don't recommend this!), and they all work great. This is the build your turbo Buick needs for anything from warmed up stock to mid 10's.
"


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Old 04-11-2009, 01:23 PM
 
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The Weber racing blocks are used... Not new.. Just to clarify.
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Old 04-11-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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The Weber racing blocks are used... Not new.. Just to clarify.

Well, you can provide your own core block or you can pay 600 bucks extra for one they have on shelf which, yes, is a used block.

Either way after they go through the process of: " oven baked and blasted, 2 center billet main caps installed, ARP main studs, align honed, coated cam bearings installed, CNC bored and honed to .020, .030, or .040" over, CNC square decked, brass freeze plugs installed, and detailed for assembly including tapping bolt holes and deburring. This block is cleaned and ready to assemble"

You have a better and more reliable block than coming from the factory.
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Old 04-11-2009, 09:07 PM
 
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I know. But I was just clarifying that you were claiming new blocks.. and they are not any out there..
Of course you can purchase used blocks that are rebuilt

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Well, you can provide your own core block or you can pay 600 bucks extra for one they have on shelf which, yes, is a used block.

Either way after they go through the process of: " oven baked and blasted, 2 center billet main caps installed, ARP main studs, align honed, coated cam bearings installed, CNC bored and honed to .020, .030, or .040" over, CNC square decked, brass freeze plugs installed, and detailed for assembly including tapping bolt holes and deburring. This block is cleaned and ready to assemble"

You have a better and more reliable block than coming from the factory.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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They took pretty much everything even the turbo scoop hood, I found a replacement at a junk yard in nearby Austin. I plan to rebuild it one day, but have a mortgage to pay so no money for fun stuff or luxury things right now. One day i will get me my Grand National.


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Frank I've seen your car before on turbobuicks.com.



What's holding you back from buying your GN? Living paycheck to paycheck? I only ask because if you look right now you can get them as cheap as $8k for a decent one. Which is cheaper than they usually go for.

Sorry to hear your dad's car was stolen and stripped....how much of it did they get? That's one drawback to owning one of these G body cars....they're still hot theft items even after 20 + years....nevermind the more popular cars worth stealing.

And now that this new movie is out I'm sure the theft rate will probably increase. If not that the car's popularity will go up and those $8k cars will also go up in price.
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