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Old 08-13-2007, 10:43 PM
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No, they're not. Every spring the federal goverment has to remove 9 million corpses from the Chicago area and bring in replacements. Nobody ever survives a Chicago winter.








Oh, wait, did you mean that literally?

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Old 09-14-2007, 02:10 PM
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Why do people keep saying that Cleveland gets like the most snow in the country? Chicago gets about 40 inches a year and Cleveland gets about 50 inches, thats not that much of a difference. The NE Cleveland area gets a lot of snow (like 80 inches!) buts its a very small area, and most the Cleveland area gets 30-60 inches. When we get like 4-6 inches its a lot of snow here too and they usually call school off. There are a lot of cities that are colder and get a lot more snow than Cleveland. Buffalo, Erie, Syracuse, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Milwaukee, all of Alaska, Albany, Detroit, Boston, Duluth, Grand Rapids are all worse than Cleveland.

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Old 09-14-2007, 02:34 PM
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I'm also going to add that falls in Chicago are lovely. Crisp and cool with lots of fall colors...
"Chicago is an October sort of city, even in spring."
-Nelson Algren

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Old 09-14-2007, 03:06 PM
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In response to posts disagreeing with me... Yes it's true Chicago's winters are no fun... For one with a degree in meteorology, I can tell you that I knew I would get much grief from people who think Chicago's winters are so horrible...

Truth is this, when compared with cities such as Minneapolis, Buffalo, Syracuse, Cleveland, Boston, and nearby Milwaukee; Chicago's winters are a joke. Everyone whines and complains about the littlest things such as 6 inches of snow or temps dipping for two-three days into the single digits, yet here's the truth, winters are very cloudy here and yes it does snow. Alot? NO! Regardless of what people tell you. Don't believe me? Then research it yourself through a credible source like Noaa, the almanac, or the National Weather Service.

Does it brutally cold? Yes it can, however it is uncommon hence the reason that Chicago gets placed under things like wind chill advisories sometimes where other cities wouldn't think of such a thing without temps dipping to -20F. Temps can get down as low as -20 here, but that is uncommon and when it does happen it happens usually at 5AM, then on those days it will warm up to a high of about 5F. Cold? Indeed! But not as cold as what Chicagoans compare themselves to when it comes to other cities.

Chicago media makes big deals out of what they call "snowstorms or blizzards" as they call it on the evening news for storms that produce 6-10 inches of snow, a tally that cities on the east coast would consider light snow or flurries.

That being said, here's the bottom line, it's all about what you are used to. If you were born and raised in lets say Memphis, Miami, Atlanta, or Dallas, then yes our winters are going to be tough to swallow, but if you have been subjected to those winters of the northeast where "nor-easters" swing up the coastline burrying people's cars and even houses with snow and winds up to 60MPH, then this Chicago's winters are going to be a breeze.

AND... For the person who made the comment about Chicago's downtown or areas near the lake having a more moderate climate.... UMMMMM, NOT AT ALL!!! Yes the outdoor temperature reading might be on a December day higher by perhaps 5-10 degrees, however Chicago's skyscrapers create whats known as a "wind-tunnel effect" on it's downtown streets thus creating biting wind chill effects that are usually 10-15 degrees lower than that of the surrounding burbs where winds are typically lighter. AND... The Loop's/downtown's close proximity to the lake creates much more cloudiness so lack of sunlight would also usually result in lower temperatures with the exception of nightime readings where cloudiness would actually hold the "heat" in or down if you will, and reduce it's escape out into outer space.

As for the urban heat island... This has become such an issue of severity/priority that Mayor Daley has made making Chicago a "green" city a top priority of his, not because he likes how clean and pretty the city will look, but because Chicago's urban heat island is now one of the worst in the country proved in 1995 with hundreds of people loosing their lives to extreme temperatures fueled by the urban heat island effect. The fact is this is only getting worse as the entire metro area continues to pave over once green farm land for things like malls and parking lots.
I live in Pittsburgh and people here are just like how you explain the people in Chicago. The winters here aren't as bad anymore either. We probably get the same amount of snow here. I like how you educated people about the temps. people never pay attention to the wind chill temp that's what can get ya. We have a bad wind-tunnel effect here in Pittsburgh too because of how the buildings are all squeezed on to one little pennsula and in the deep winter when the rivers are frozen you can feel the chill come off of them. I never been to Chi town but I always wanted to see it and possibly move there I am a weather fanatic so I like the extremes it has. I've also been noticing the soaring heat there in the summer over the last several years and it does seem to be getting worse. I have been to cleveland and for you people that think chicago is bad in the winter then cleveland would be your worst nightmare, especially the east side, or even worse the nothern plains or buffalo/watertown/or syracuse those are real winters where the don't thaw out the snow just keeps piling up. Correct me if I'm wrong But, I fell like we get more snowstorms here in pittsburgh then chicago but chicago gets more nusense snows and major lake effect events. You mentioned that you have a degree in meteorology where did you go? I was looking for a school to go to to major in meteorology. The only schools that come up are Penn State, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and California university of Pennsylvania but I wanted to have more options. Do you know of any other good ones?

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Old 09-14-2007, 03:17 PM
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People from Minneapolis/St. Paul (over 3 million people and winter temps 10 -15 degrees colder than Chicago) think Chicagoans are wimps when they hear us complain.

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Old 09-14-2007, 03:22 PM
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Like Arizonans have a right to talk? Their summers compromise their winters....personally I would rather deal with a winter in wisconsin north of Chicago then I would the unbearable desert heat in Arizona.
I don't know it get's hot in chicago and the rest of the midwest too, and the temprature is higher in arizona but the humidity of the southeast and ,in deep summer, northeast is higher which in my opinion is way worse then dry heat. At least in arizona your sweat actually evaporates, east of the mississippi it just sits on you all day. Why do you think more people die in chicago a year due to heat than the whole state of arizona and it's not because of population because pheonix is not far behind chi town in population.

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Old 09-14-2007, 03:23 PM
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As for the urban heat island... This has become such an issue of severity/priority that Mayor Daley has made making Chicago a "green" city a top priority of his, not because he likes how clean and pretty the city will look, but because Chicago's urban heat island is now one of the worst in the country proved in 1995 with hundreds of people loosing their lives to extreme temperatures fueled by the urban heat island effect.
the '95 heat wave deaths were a result of elderly overheating in their apartments w/ no air conditioning and no one to check on them. that could happen anywhere. also, the heat we experienced that week was unprecedented to begin with. the REAL culprit was poor crisis response, and a lack of wellbeing checks. Chicago learned a lot after that disaster. after the heat wave the city established the 311 non-emergency help line, open cooling centers on hot days, and city workers now go out and make wellbeing checks all at a simple request. the cities prepardness and ability to cope with such an event has dramatically improved, and i highly doubt something of that magnitude due to weather would ever occur again.

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Old 09-14-2007, 03:25 PM
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Why do you think more people die in chicago a year due to heat than the whole state of arizona and it's not because of population because pheonix is not far behind chi town in population.
It has more to do with the age and type of housing stock. There are probably more non-air-conditioned mid-rises and high-rises in 10 square miles of Chicago than there are in all of Arizona.

I'm not buying the "dry heat" line either. I've heard from far too many people who moved from the upper Midwest to either Las Vegas or Phoenix who can't wait to get the hell out of there (or already have) because they can't stand the summers.

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Old 09-14-2007, 05:40 PM
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It has more to do with the age and type of housing stock. There are probably more non-air-conditioned mid-rises and high-rises in 10 square miles of Chicago than there are in all of Arizona.

I'm not buying the "dry heat" line either. I've heard from far too many people who moved from the upper Midwest to either Las Vegas or Phoenix who can't wait to get the hell out of there (or already have) because they can't stand the summers.
Drover I'll give you that there probably are more non-air conditioned places in chicago, but for age alot of older people who have athritis or other medical conditions move to arizona to get relive from their pain. And humidity really does make a huge difference, my girlfriends parents moved to pheonix about a year and a half ago and they are fine. And I belive it get's hotter in parts of the upper midwest or at least about the same as it does here in pittsburgh. 100 degrees dry heat is 100, 100 degrees w/ a decent amount of humidity and your dealing with a heat index of anywhere from 105 to 120 depending on the dew point temp.

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Old 09-14-2007, 06:05 PM
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Well I've lived in both Chicago and Pittsburgh and I found their summers to be so similar as to make it pointless trying to draw contrasts.

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