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Old 12-14-2010, 06:39 AM
 
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Evanston Township High School District 202 eliminates honors English course - chicagotribune.com
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:43 AM
 
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I think the dumbing down of America continues.
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago: Beverly, Woodlawn
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What an idiotic idea. Anybody who has ever taught a course knows that it is impossible to set the bar independent of who is sitting in the room. The course will slow down and the good students will suffer. If you want to get into the honors class you have to bring your A game to the placement test (or whatever the metric is). If you can't make it and want to, work your butt off in the regular class and try to earn a promotion. That's it. Anything else is causing more problems than it's solving. If some people have great potential and just need special help to get over the hump ... well, I'm a bit skeptical but that issue can be addressed other ways.

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Old 12-14-2010, 07:55 AM
 
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How tragic for the high performing students. Entrance to the honors level course is not racially based, it's merit based so I don't understand how the school board can justify this move based on race inequality.

The dumbing down of America continues is right. Punish the high achievers so that the low performing kids don't feel badly. I'm so glad this is not my school district, and if it were, there "For Sale" sign would be in the front yard ASAP.

ETHS spends $20K (one of the highest in the entire Chicagoland area) to educate each student and gets mediocre results. I will be watching to see the effect of this latest moronic liberal policy. 'Punish hard work and success' seems to be the liberal mantra being played out at ETHS.
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:59 AM
 
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Yeah I'm not moving to Evanston any time soon after this. It was a possibility but this is just the start of things to come I suspect. Imagine how this would affect your college (and scholarship) prospects for starters if you would have been an honors student.
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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This will certainly help raise property values in the NT district.

ETHS used to be the equal of NT. Then it became a school where you could still get a fabulous education, but had a lot of social issues (gangs, high percentage of single parent homes, etc). Its all over now.
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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1. High achieving parents of all races will now eliminate Evanston as a potential place to buy a house, logically assuming that if freshman honors English has been eliminated, other honors courses won't be far behind. You buy a house when your kids are little. No one will want to gamble on what honors courses will still be around in 10 years for their potentially bright children.

2. As a result, many high-earning families who would've purchased in Evanston will purchase elsewhere (excepting those who would send their kids to private schools). Property values in Evanston will further fall with a lower supply of high income buyers. The school will have less funding because of the resulting lower property tax revenue. Commence vicious circle.

3. This is not just a disservice to high achieving students. It's a disservice to all tiers. Anyone who has taught can tell you the more cohesive your group is, the more your can customize/focus your lesson to their learning level/style and the more the students will get out of it. This English course will be too easy for some and too hard for others, serving none but the middle well. I would've thought ETHS had a large enough student population to break out the groups and still fill classroooms.

4. To be "fair", if they're going to eliminate freshman honors English, they also need to eliminate freshman remedial English, freshman special needs English, freshman English as a second language English and all other freshman English classes that are broken out to serve the needs of a proportionately small group of students with a narrow learning profile.

5. Anyone who wants to know what happens to a high school when the authorities impose misguided racial equalizers, causing higher achievers to abandon the community need only look at this example:

The long road back - The Boston Globe

"English High, the oldest public high school in America, was once one of Boston's most prestigious. Now housed in an old Boston Gas Co. office building in Jamaica Plain, it had become one of the city's worst. A fifth of its 1,200 students had to repeat a grade. A quarter of the senior class had dropped out. It suffered the worst retention rate of Boston's large high schools and the second-worst test scores. The situation had become so bad last year that the state had threatened to close it."

English High had gone from being one of the top public schools nationally in the mid-1960's to a place even the worst students didn't want to attend (and who can blame them).

And this:

Busing's Boston massacre | Policy Review | Find Articles at BNET

"Busing's Bitter Fruits
During Garrity's tenure as de facto school superintendent, public-school enrollment dropped from 93,000 to 57,000 and the proportion of white students shrank from 65 percent of total enrollment to 28 percent. Seventy-eight school buildings closed their doors, including Roxbury High. Now whites make up 17 percent of public-school students; most of them attend one of the three selective "exam schools" like the Boston Latin School. Boston has been forced to lower its official threshold for the acceptable racial balance of each school from a minimum of 50 percent white in 1965 to a minimum of 9 percent white today."

"Busing has not only failed to integrate Boston schools, it has also failed to improve education opportunities for the city's black children. When Boston introduced Stanford 9 testing to the public schools in 1996, 94 percent of seventh-graders at Woodrow Wilson Elementary School scored "poor" or "failing" in math, as did 73 percent of fifthgraders at Brighton's Alexander Hamilton School. At Dorchester's William E. Endicott School, 95 percent of the fifth-graders scored "poor" or "failing" in reading and 100 percent scored "poor" or "failing" in math. Yet all of these students were promoted to the next grade."

"For whatever reason, Garrity exempted a handful of schools from the Master Plan. It is telling that four of Boston's top five elementary schools in 1996 happen to be institutions that respect the "natural authority" of the parents. Two are neighborhood schools in East Boston; Chinatown's Josiah Quincy Elementary School, with a mostly Asian enrollment, achieved the second-highest average scores in the city. At Dorchester's Patrick O'Hearn Elementary School, which achieved the highest scores, children may enroll only if their parents promise to be actively involved in the school. Most of the city's 33,000 elementary schoolchildren, however, are still bused among the 71 schools that scored poorly on the Stanford 9, learning little or nothing and winning social promotion year after year."

The English High example is race focused, and unfortunately, there was a lot of bigotry flying around at the time. However, a flawed school policy did not do anything to help the students they were trying to help. In fact, it ultimately made things much worse for them.


We don't live in Utopia. Most people don't let their kids "ride out" policy changes that aren't to the kids' advantage in the hopes of a better tomorrow. Most leave.

Commence the IQ exodus from ETHS, regardless of race.

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Old 12-14-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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Yeah I'm not moving to Evanston any time soon after this. It was a possibility but this is just the start of things to come I suspect. Imagine how this would affect your college (and scholarship) prospects for starters if you would have been an honors student.
I don't think it will hurt college prospects as much as hurts an individual student's prep for college. Top 25 colleges and universities really like diverse high schools; most do not contain quotas from those types of high schools as they might from New Trier. But for individual students looking to take courses that will prepare them for the rigor of college academics, that is who will suffer.

Did Evanston get rid of AP too?
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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Just found this quote from another article about the change at ETHS:

"The following year, honors-only sections will be eliminated in freshman biology."


Taking this to its furthest conclusion, the law of unintended consequences kicks in. 1. They eliminate classes that cater to the top 5% of academic performers. 2. That population shifts to private schools where they can get more challenging instruction. 3. Along comes a low-income kid who's brilliant.....now he/she no longer has access to advanced courses because they no longer exist in the public school and private schools are too expensive.

Add in that all the mommies and daddies paying for private schools will now object to property taxes being used to fund public schools and it gets even uglier.

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Old 12-14-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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ETHS vs NT - game over, ETHS forfeits, NT wins by default.

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