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Old 05-06-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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New list, updated with AP participant passing rate and % low income enrollment. Sorted by AP participant passing rate.

A lot of the variation in PSAE and AP scores can be chalked up to low income enrollment skewing the data. If you're a non-low income family, your child will largely have the same opportunity for success at any of the schools below. Clearly all these schools are preparing their AP students for success in college and beyond.


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Old 05-06-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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New list, updated with AP participant passing rate and % low income enrollment. Sorted by AP participant passing rate.

A lot of the variation in PSAE and AP scores can be chalked up to low income enrollment skewing the data. If you're a non-low income family, your child will largely have the same opportunity for success at any of the schools below. Clearly all these schools are preparing their AP students for success in college and beyond.
Not sure what your data source is but if you could share it that would be helpful.

Similarly, I do believe that AP participation rates are important in both the US News methodology as well that of the Washington Post -- ideally it would be great to see a very high percentage of students take at least one AP test and get at least a 3 (which is considered minimal passing score.

When folks ask for "best high school" it would be helpful if they specified some additional context, like "academically well regarded" but I have to say in my experience it is rare to have a school that is not just academically superior but also offers nice range of extracurriculars and other positives...
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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Not sure what your data source is but if you could share it that would be helpful.

Similarly, I do believe that AP participation rates are important in both the US News methodology as well that of the Washington Post -- ideally it would be great to see a very high percentage of students take at least one AP test and get at least a 3 (which is considered minimal passing score.

When folks ask for "best high school" it would be helpful if they specified some additional context, like "academically well regarded" but I have to say in my experience it is rare to have a school that is not just academically superior but also offers nice range of extracurriculars and other positives...
The most effective way to compare how well AP students are prepared for college is to look at how many of them are actually passing exams. In other words, we want the percentage of exam takers who passed at least one test. That's what the image above shows.

Passing not taking. I'm not concerned with the percentage of total students taking exams for three reasons:

- Because the figures can be easily skewed by low income students, who are less likely to end up in AP courses
- Because the figures can be easily skewed by administrators sitting ill-prepared kids for exams
- Because taking does not equate to passing

Nearly all of the schools listed have wide-ranging AP offerings. That's not the issue. The only question I have as a parent is, of the students taking AP exams, what percentage were well prepared by the school and actually passed?

I got the figures from US News: Hinsdale Central High School in HINSDALE, IL | Test Scores | US News (See: Participant Passing Rate)

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Old 05-06-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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I would also like to see data broken up for larger schools that take kids from very different elementary districts. OPRF doesn't count, since it only takes kids from two districts--both of which are somewhat good (Oak Park and River Forest Elementary districts). Education occurs Kindergarten through 12th Grade, and the foundation you get from your K-8 district is vitally important. Some might say it's more important than the high school you attend.

For instance, what is the average ACT score and AP pass rate for Lyons Township High School students who came up through different elementary school systems? I'm guessing the scores are very different for kids who came up through Western Springs or La Grange Schools compared to those who came up through Hodgkins or Countryside schools.

Or for Glenbard West, how do those who came up through Glen Ellyn D41 schools compare to those who had K-8 in Glendale Heights Schools? We know intuitively that there is a large difference, but the Illinois School Report Card site doesn't break up data this way.
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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Two AP students, one at Wheaton North and one at Hinsdale Central. What do we know about them?

Based on US News data:

The Hinsdale Central AP student will take 4.6 exams and has a 93% chance of passing at least one. (source: http://www.usnews.com/education/best...nt_performance)
The Wheaton North AP student will take 4.2 exams and has a 89% change of passing at least one. (source: http://www.usnews.com/education/best...nt_performance)

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Old 05-06-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Two AP students, one at Wheaton North and one at Hinsdale Central. What do we know about them?

Based on US News data:

The Hinsdale Central student will take 4.6 exams and has a 93% chance of passing at least one.
The Wheaton North student will take 4.2 exams and has a 89% change of passing at least one.
AND the Hinsdale Central student's parents will have paid twice as much for their house for that small incremental improvement, which may or may not have ANY effect on their own offspring's chances for success.
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:30 PM
 
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AND the Hinsdale Central student's parents will have paid twice as much for their house for that small incremental improvement, which may or may not have ANY effect on their own offspring's chances for success.
I think this has been said before but Hinsdale buyers are not just paying for the schools. It certainly was one of the factors in our decision but an even bigger factor for us, and I'm certain many others, was location and Metra access (3 stations). I also like being surrounded by people that take care of their property (or hire someone to take care of their property ).
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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This is an outstanding value in a walk-to-everything (including high school) location in a beautiful north Glen Ellyn neighborhood:

593 Prairie Avenue GLEN ELLYN, IL 60137 | Redfin
It's nice indeed. So nice, in fact, that the house next door decided to come on over and give it a big hug! Oh, wait, are the brown house and tan house suppose to be one single house??
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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AND the Hinsdale Central student's parents will have paid twice as much for their house for that small incremental improvement, which may or may not have ANY effect on their own offspring's chances for success.
Yes, that's a great point. Although I'm more concerned about the folks who threw down enough money to get into either Wheaton or Hinsdale, but did so in a town like Westmont, where there is a considerable drop-off in performance among AP students...

Based on US News data:

The Westmont AP student will take just 2.4 exams and only has a 67% chance of passing at least one.

207 N. Grant Street WESTMONT, IL 60559 | Redfin

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Old 05-06-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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AND the Hinsdale Central student's parents will have paid twice as much for their house for that small incremental improvement, which may or may not have ANY effect on their own offspring's chances for success.
There are LOTS of homes in the nice parts of Western Springs or LaGrange that are every bit as costly on either a sq ft basis or total purchase price as any in similarly desirable parts of Hinsdale, Oak Brook, Clarendon Hills, or Burr Ridge. Similarly the bargain hunters that are willing to accept a house that needs some TLC in Hinsdale are likely to end up with a home that is no more costly than something a little more spiffy than in a less desirable part of Countryside or LaGrange Highlands...

All about what is one's real priority.
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