is lansing IL going down the tube? (Chicago, Calumet City: hotels, live)

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

These anti-Elmwood Park, anti-Lansing posts really crack me up. Do you people even bother to look at crime statistics before you declare a town being headed towards the some sort of imaginary ghetto abyss? If you actually bothered to look up the crime statistics of Lansing, you would find the last ten years have been almost exactly the same.

The population of Lansing is declining - but the crime rate is staying the same.

So the truth of the matter is, crime is increasing.

And I would bet that the school ratings are decreasing as well. TF South is NOT what it used to be 20 years ago.

While Lansing is not Calumet City ... it's showing the same characteristics that Cal City did when it began it's decline. (Less pride of ownership, declining schools, crime increase, etc.)

[crbcrbrgv]

Originally Posted by Chuckity

The population of Lansing is declining - but the crime rate is staying the same.

So the truth of the matter is, crime is increasing.

And I would bet that the school ratings are decreasing as well. TF South is NOT what it used to be 20 years ago.

While Lansing is not Calumet City ... it's showing the same characteristics that Cal City did when it began it's decline. (Less pride of ownership, declining schools, crime increase, etc.)

The statistics I am referring to are from city-data and are per capita. Growth or decline in a population are irrelevant.

When was TF South ever a great school? It's always been mediocre at best. It was never going to be New Trier.

As for the characteristics it's showing, yeah I think I know what you are getting at.

[ajolotl]

Yes, your first two sentences seem to contradict each other, assuming "rate" means per capita (as it usually does).

Originally Posted by Chuckity

The population of Lansing is declining - but the crime rate is staying the same.

So the truth of the matter is, crime is increasing.

And I would bet that the school ratings are decreasing as well. TF South is NOT what it used to be 20 years ago.

While Lansing is not Calumet City ... it's showing the same characteristics that Cal City did when it began it's decline. (Less pride of ownership, declining schools, crime increase, etc.)

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Chuckity

While Lansing is not Calumet City ... it's showing the same characteristics that Cal City did when it began it's decline. (Less pride of ownership, declining schools, crime increase, etc.)

Where is the "less pride of ownership" taking place? In what areas, specifically?

The only school that is declining is TF South and as was mentioned, that was never great to begin with (i.e. when the town was mostly white). The elementary schools and middle school are doing fine.

I won't rehash the "crime increase" bunk as ajolotl and crbcrbrgv have said it better than I could.

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by Opkl

At1WithNature, what is your opinion of Lynwood? Do you think its safe? etc. Out of 1-10 with 1 being the best, what would you give Lynwood?

I'd give it about a 6, maybe higher. Wilmette being a 10, Ford Heights being a 1. Lynwood is kind of in the middle of no where but they have some shady characters in some of those houses. I remember about 5 years ago, this one black girl I met at Lincoln Mall lived in Lynwood. She gave me an address, over the phone, to an abandoned house. When I pulled up, I walked up to the door and noticed cobwebs on the cracks of the door. Alarm bells went off knowing I probably am getting set up for a robbery but I was pretty young and dumb at the time. Long story short, as I'm walking back to my '93 Bravada (at the time), I see this little white cavalier pull up with a dude in the backseat, a dude driving, and that chick in the passenger's seat. The driver was mean mugging me hardcore and the girl had a look of surprise on her face like (We just missed a Vick). Needless to say, I get the heck out of there. That's just my experience with Lynwood. The town seems OK but I know there are some shady characters in some of those houses..

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

These anti-Elmwood Park, anti-Lansing posts really crack me up. Do you people even bother to look at crime statistics before you declare a town being headed towards the some sort of imaginary ghetto abyss? If you actually bothered to look up the crime statistics of Lansing, you would find the last ten years have been almost exactly the same.

Crime statistics can mean nothing if you have an inept police force combined with intelligent criminals.

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

Where is the "less pride of ownership" taking place? In what areas, specifically?

The only school that is declining is TF South and as was mentioned, that was never great to begin with (i.e. when the town was mostly white). The elementary schools and middle school are doing fine.

I won't rehash the "crime increase" bunk as ajolotl and crbcrbrgv have said it better than I could.

Throughout the entire town. There's more garbage strewn, more peeling paint, more uncared for landscaping and more crap than there was 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. It is overwhelming? No - but the general look of the area has declined ... anyone who has had a long term relationship with the area would agree.

TF South was never New Trier - and not even HF - but it used to be a good solid school, with good solid kids - it's just not anymore.

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Chuckity

Throughout the entire town. There's more garbage strewn, more peeling paint, more uncared for landscaping and more crap than there was 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago. It is overwhelming? No - but the general look of the area has declined ... anyone who has had a long term relationship with the area would agree.

TF South was never New Trier - and not even HF - but it used to be a good solid school, with good solid kids - it's just not anymore.

The only section I can think of that is like you describe is the area north of the expressway and west of Burnham. Other than that, the areas that I used to see on a daily basis (Schultz Park, where I lived, and others) are nothing like that.

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

The only section I can think of that is like you describe is the area north of the expressway and west of Burnham. Other than that, the areas that I used to see on a daily basis (Schultz Park, where I lived, and others) are nothing like that.

Nowhere have I said it's every house ... but compared to the town's appearance in year's past, it's just not the same.

I don't think you have a long enough history with the town to understand where Lansing used to be and where it is now.

Calumet City used to be where Lansing is now - or actually better than it's current state.

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Chuckity

Nowhere have I said it's every house ... but compared to the town's appearance in year's past, it's just not the same.

I don't think you have a long enough history with the town to understand where Lansing used to be and where it is now.

Calumet City used to be where Lansing is now - or actually better than it's current state.

I only lived there for six years, but before that I'd been visiting for much longer. I had an aunt and uncle that lived in Lansing (184th block of Arcadia) when I was younger. That block looks exactly the same now as it did when I played outside with my cousins 25 years ago. The area around Lan-Oak Park where we would go, looks exactly the same now as it did then. Outside of the main thoroughfares (Torrence Avenue, Ridge Road, Burnham Avenue), those are the only two areas that I was familiar with as a child. I can't speak on the condition of entire town 20 years ago since I didn't go in every area.

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

I only lived there for six years, but before that I'd been visiting for much longer. I had an aunt and uncle that lived in Lansing (184th block of Arcadia) when I was younger. That block looks exactly the same now as it did when I played outside with my cousins 25 years ago. The area around Lan-Oak Park where we would go, looks exactly the same now as it did then. Outside of the main thoroughfares (Torrence Avenue, Ridge Road, Burnham Avenue), those are the only two areas that I was familiar with as a child. I can't speak on the condition of entire town 20 years ago since I didn't go in every area.

It all makes sense now. No wonder you've had it out for me! I revealed some not so nice truths about your hometown. At least you're over that childish behavior now, friend.