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Old 04-29-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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I am from Bay Area, moved there over 1 year ago from Chicagoland

- No stupid excessive tollways (in CA its mostly bridges one-way or convenience roads you can easily avoid such as HOT lanes)
- No orange glowing lights, just have instead recessive reflectors installed on highway lanes (though its understanding this would not work in winter with the snow)
- A lot of local streets in Chicagoland (such as Bloomingdale, glendale heights Army Trail Rd) lack streetlights which IMO they are more needed there than on highways. In Bay Area most towns have streetlights in addition to recessive reflectors.
- In California most orange lights are being replaced with white brighter LED lights. Think how Chicago would look nice on night pictures without glowing orange sky.
- Freeways are wider and have higher speed limit (65 vs 55 mph).
- Drivers in Bay Area in general more polite than Chicagoland (especially Cook county and Chicago)
- Local roads and parking lots in CA are much better upkept than local in IL (freeways worse but not many potholes). I understand though that the better weather without freezing winter helps. We also do not get as much heavy big trucks as Chicago.

Finally freeways in California do not use streetlights except at exits and overpasses. In the beginning it seems to me odd but I actually like it as long as line lane markers are clear and tagged with reflector lights. It actually helps at night to focus on road and see what is going on without distracting orange glowing lights.
Congratulations Kyle, sounds as if you have found your own personal contentment and utopia; Shangri-La if you will! Best of luck to you.

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California is out of water, and soon to shrivel up with mass abandonment in the not-so-distant-future, and we're talking about highways? Okaaaaaaay.
On the other hand...Illinois (specifically and apparently the Chicagoland area) has plenty of fresh water and a lower col. It does have its own unique circumstances and concerns as do all places across the U.S. and the rest of the world for that matter.

Try Europe or Asia some time in the future you might like it better than California...or not.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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And Arizona will be next.
Water supplies here are ok, despite the drought. Unlike CA, AZ planned ahead. If the severe drought continues for decades, it will be a different story.
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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Water supplies here are ok, despite the drought. Unlike CA, AZ planned ahead. If the severe drought continues for decades, it will be a different story.
AZ realized it was largely dessert a long time ago, and was smart enough not to try water-intensive things like Almond farming on a massive scale.
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Old 05-08-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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And Arizona will be next.
Yes, and Nevada:
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Illinois has 38,000 state and county roads. Cook County is only sightly smaller than LA County. Some Illinois roads are damaged every year from heave and thaw caused by ice and subzero ground temperatures. Texas secondary roads are better than California and Illinois primary roads, and it knows how to manage traffic congestion better. Chicago traffic makes SoCal traffic seem like child's play. For its length there are not many major access points in/out California: MX, OR, plus 1-10, 1-40, and I-80, whereas Illinois has two or more routes into every state it borders except Kentucky.

Chicago is the Midwest air, water, rail and land transportation hub. A plane lands or departs O'Hare every 10 seconds 24/7. Chicago is a major sports destination with 50,000 visitors annually. Chicago is an architectural destination plus it has the three original tallest skyscrapers in the world still greet visitors and guests. Chicago has CBOT, NASDAQ and the only water taxi. The Newberry founded in 1887 in Chicago is ranked as one of the best research libraries in the nation.

Los Angeles and Manhattan may be a peer to Chicago, but the Bay Area of San Francisco is not.
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:38 AM
 
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Los Angeles and Manhattan may be a peer to Chicago, but the Bay Area of San Francisco is not.
Chicago > SF , yes I will give you that,

but SF Bay Area > Chicagoland.

In Illinois, you have Chicago but outside city limits nothing that's it.

In Bay Area, you have San Francisco, Napa, Santa Cruz, Big Sur and it is within hours of driving distance to Monterey, Lake Tahoe, Los Angeles, etc.

As for primary road, secondary roads, not sure about Texas, but clearly you have not been to Bay Area, California in recent few years. Secondary roads in California high middle class cities like Mountain View, Sunnyvale beat any Chicago suburbs.

In addition Bay Area suburbs are more walkable and compact than Chicago suburbs and more accessible by bike. Many more towns in Bay Area started growing before 1950's area of automobile revolution so they have developed walkable downtowns than towns around Chicago like Oak Park. Go further west and its almost automobile spread out. Chicago being major central city since early days contributed to limited growth of suburbs.

San Francisco and San Jose being small (SJ was in early days just a farm town) allowed larger development of towns between them.

Throwing Los Angeles into comparison to Chicago along NYC is silly. Its a completely different city, metro area unlike San Francisco, Chicago or NYC. DTLA is small. There is no central hub there. It is more like a set of connected big towns. San Francisco has bigger more walkable downtown with better public transit than LA. San Francisco is a big cultural center of West Coast. San Francisco draws a lot of tourism from Asia and Europe. it ranks #4 of 20 Best Places to visit in US News from tourist votes, far above Chicago #13 and only preceded by Washington DC, Yellowstone and Maui.

San Francisco has Silicon Valley within arms reach and has much more tech jobs than Chicago, not just in corporate IT but also startups. A lot of many other major cities have more IT jobs than Chicago.
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Chicago >

Throwing Los Angeles into comparison to Chicago along NYC is silly. Its a completely different city, metro area unlike San Francisco, Chicago or NYC. DTLA is small. There is no central hub there. It is more like a set of connected big towns. San Francisco has bigger more walkable downtown with better public transit than LA. San Francisco is a big cultural center of West Coast. San Francisco draws a lot of tourism from Asia and Europe. it ranks #4 of 20 Best Places to visit in US News from tourist votes, far above Chicago #13 and only preceded by Washington DC, Yellowstone and Maui.
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Los Angeles is the cultural center of the west coast and has been for decades.
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Old 05-09-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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Los Angeles is the cultural center of the west coast and has been for decades.
SF still has more top chefs for restaurant scene and both towns on West Coast kinda *uck with last call rolls usually around 1:30 AM.

At least SF/Bay Area has NFL. LA still remains a major city without NFL but I know it is supposed to change and there have been talks about Raiders or Rams coming back to LA and building a new stadium.
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Old 05-09-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Galewood
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Ok so this is a Chicago vs San Francisco thread?
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Old 05-09-2015, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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It seems you do not know much about Cook County or Illinois. What Illinois does is feed the world thru annual exports. Chicago has two peers only: LA and NYC. Pan-Asian SF is not in LA County, and neither are the other cities you mentioned. On the other hand Chicago is a city in Cook County which governs slightly more than 1000 square miles of shore front and land.

Comparing apples to oranges is a waste of time. Flouting Pan-Asia as some kind of challenge to Chicago does not change facts. It is what it is, and what it is IS the dominate city of all thirteen Midwest states > Chicago.

Re-reading the rules you agreed to when you joined City-Data is a good idea. There is a section devoted specifically to trolling, personal attacks, snark, lighting flame wars, vulgarity and more. It is a fine line to walk, but it is very rewarding.

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Chicago > SF , yes I will give you that,

but SF Bay Area > Chicagoland.

In Illinois, you have Chicago but outside city limits nothing that's it.

In Bay Area, you have San Francisco, Napa, Santa Cruz, Big Sur and it is within hours of driving distance to Monterey, Lake Tahoe, Los Angeles, etc.

As for primary road, secondary roads, not sure about Texas, but clearly you have not been to Bay Area, California in recent few years. Secondary roads in California high middle class cities like Mountain View, Sunnyvale beat any Chicago suburbs.

In addition Bay Area suburbs are more walkable and compact than Chicago suburbs and more accessible by bike. Many more towns in Bay Area started growing before 1950's area of automobile revolution so they have developed walkable downtowns than towns around Chicago like Oak Park. Go further west and its almost automobile spread out. Chicago being major central city since early days contributed to limited growth of suburbs.

San Francisco and San Jose being small (SJ was in early days just a farm town) allowed larger development of towns between them.

Throwing Los Angeles into comparison to Chicago along NYC is silly. Its a completely different city, metro area unlike San Francisco, Chicago or NYC. DTLA is small. There is no central hub there. It is more like a set of connected big towns. San Francisco has bigger more walkable downtown with better public transit than LA. San Francisco is a big cultural center of West Coast. San Francisco draws a lot of tourism from Asia and Europe. it ranks #4 of 20 Best Places to visit in US News from tourist votes, far above Chicago #13 and only preceded by Washington DC, Yellowstone and Maui.

San Francisco has Silicon Valley within arms reach and has much more tech jobs than Chicago, not just in corporate IT but also startups. A lot of many other major cities have more IT jobs than Chicago.

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