10-21-2015, 06:51 PM
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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Maybe Arizona should increase property taxes to improve their terrible public school system
Why? And have a repeat performance of what Chicago is faced with? No thanks.
Throwing money at schools does not improve them. Never has, and never will. That is not opinion, but fact. If it did Chicago would have the best schools in the world. Instead they're a disaster. This country is currently spending more per student on education, than at any time in it's history. We also spend more on education than any other country on Earth. Where has any of it gotten us? American schools currently rank 36th in the world. Not much value there. And you want to waste even more money?
New survey ranks U.S. students 36th in the world - How do we improve? | News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | WSTM
U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS News
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/high_...d_reports.html
The current crop of kids who are "graduating" are dumber than stumps. In spite of spending a fortune on them. SAT scores have been steadily dropping for the last 4 decades. And through it all we just keep on spending. With a steady degradation of student performance every year that passes.
The problem is not money. Nor has it ever been. Poor parenting, no discipline, outright laziness, poor family values, all coupled to an entitlement attitude are a cancer that is destroying education in this country. Raising taxes isn't going to accomplish anything except make us into another Chicago. Again, liberals never learn from their mistakes. They just keep making the same one's over and bigger.
10-21-2015, 06:59 PM
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Why? And have a repeat performance of what Chicago is faced with? No thanks.
Throwing money at schools does not improve them. Never has, and never will. That is not opinion, but fact. If it did Chicago would have the best schools in the world. Instead they're a disaster. This country is currently spending more per student on education, than at any time in it's history. We also spend more than any other country on Earth. Where has any of it gotten us? American schools currently rank 36th in the world. Not much value there. And you want to waste even more money?
New survey ranks U.S. students 36th in the world - How do we improve? | News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | WSTM
U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS News
The current crop of kids who are "graduating" are dumber than stumps. In spite of spending a fortune on them. SAT scores have been steadily dropping for the last 4 decades. And through it all we just keep on spending. With a steady degradation of student performance every year that passes.
The problem is not money. Nor has it ever been. Poor parenting, no discipline, outright laziness, poor family values, all coupled to an entitlement attitude are a cancer that is destroying education in this country. Raising taxes isn't going to accomplish anything except make us into another Chicago. Again, liberals never learn from their mistakes. They just keep making the same one's over and bigger.
I thought this thread was about the Chicago suburbs? Many of which have excellent public schools and much higher salaries than CPS so not sure what you're talking about. Higher pay = better talent, whether it's within the public school system or tech industry. Simple math right?
10-22-2015, 05:30 AM
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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I thought this thread was about the Chicago suburbs? Many of which have excellent public schools and much higher salaries than CPS so not sure what you're talking about. Higher pay = better talent, whether it's within the public school system or tech industry. Simple math right?
Higher pay also equals higher taxes, which most Chicago suburbs have. (And they're going higher every year). As Chicago goes, the suburbs go. Again, if you need a model look at Detroit and it's surrounding communities. Do you think the real property values are skyrocketing? Most of the Chicago suburbs are plagued with the same problems. Countless underfunded pension obligations for their city workers and socialist teacher unions. (It's why their property taxes are rising faster than Chicago's). What do you think is going to happen to the entire suburban Chicago Metropolitan area once the city collapses? It's more like simple biology than math. Once the host dies, it's difficult for anything that feeds off it to survive.
10-22-2015, 06:07 AM
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Higher pay also equals higher taxes, which most Chicago suburbs have. (And they're going higher every year). As Chicago goes, the suburbs go. Again, if you need a model look at Detroit and it's surrounding communities. Do you think the real property values are skyrocketing? Most of the Chicago suburbs are plagued with the same problems. Countless underfunded pension obligations for their city workers and socialist teacher unions. (It's why their property taxes are rising faster than Chicago's). What do you think is going to happen to the entire suburban Chicago Metropolitan area once the city collapses? It's more like simple biology than math. Once the host dies, it's difficult for anything that feeds off it to survive.
Chicago metro GDP $610B more than 2.5 times greater than Detroit metro GDP $236B. Not comparable situations at all. If Chicago was on the verge of mass destruction then why the influx of corporate relocations to the city? ConAgra being the latest in a series of relocates. You think increasing property taxes is the only way to increase revenue? Think again.
Chicago named 'Top Metro' for corporate relocation, expansion by Site Selection magazine | abc7chicago.com
On an aside, not all Detroit suburbs are struggling, in fact, many are thriving since the city's downfall and the corresponding real estate values reflect this.
10-22-2015, 06:24 AM
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10-22-2015, 06:29 AM
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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I don't see any cities from Arizona.
And you don't see 5 digit property taxes on 1,800 sq. ft. homes either. What you fail to understand is that a large majority of Phoenix's population
is from Chicago. Now, why do you suppose that is? You can try to make yourself feel better by making all of these foolish comparisons. But the fact of the matter is
Chicago is dead and sinking financially. And nothing is going to save it short of finding oil under the Loop.
10-22-2015, 06:43 AM
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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Chicago metro GDP $610B more than 2.5 times greater than Detroit metro GDP $236B. Not comparable situations at all.
Really? The way they're going it soon will be. Here's a clue for you. Same liberal, Democratic socialist government for 50 years + Same out of control labor and teacher unions + Same unsustainable city and teacher pensions + Same bond rating deteriorating to junk bond status + Same shrinking tax base =
The same exact problems and results. It's no longer a question of "If". But rather "When". And you're not going to have to wait much longer. Sorry to pee on your parade with reality. Perhaps a bigger umbrella is in order.
10-22-2015, 07:13 AM
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And you don't see 5 digit property taxes on 1,800 sq. ft. homes either. What you fail to understand is that a large majority of Phoenix's population is from Chicago. Now, why do you suppose that is? You can try to make yourself feel better by making all of these foolish comparisons. But the fact of the matter is Chicago is dead and sinking financially. And nothing is going to save it short of finding oil under the Loop.
Haha I don't even know why I bother responding. I have been hearing about Chicago doomsdayers since I moved here 15 years ago. You couldn't pay me enough to move my family to Arizona even if there were
no property taxes.
10-22-2015, 07:15 AM
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There's a ton of denial here, not sure why. This is precisely why we sold our house recently and are renting and waiting to see how things go and figuring out if/how we could leave the state.
10-22-2015, 07:42 AM
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We moved/bought here just a few years ago...and we had choice of cities. We like so many others choose chicago. I agree with destinationunknown and LK that chicago's desirability is high (world class global destination city) and will remain high - if you buy in the right area. Just like anywhere else, location, location, location. We moved from Detroit so its rather funny when folks compare detroit to chicago... I think chicago has its problems but they are fixable when the right people(not saying one party or the other) just the right smart leaders eventually take over. So my outlook for here is positive, so peachy/safe that we did decide to have kids/raise them here...
Destination, i still plan on messing with you about how expensive hinsdale is...
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People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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