New Lenox - Why we love it! (Chicago, Joliet: crime rate, neighborhoods)

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by kaedebonsai

Careful now...last time I made a comment about Berwyn I got accused of being a racist white boy...Which, I am neither white nor racist.

I just like to kid BRU because he tends to prefer Berwyn over other areas of Chicagoland that are clearly APPEAR to better (especially on paper). but it's only human nature to think where one lives or grew up is the best. besides, he's a quality poster so it should be fun to see his responses.

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by BRU67

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What part of my post did you not understand? I was talking about the prospective future. Frankfort and Mokena, insofar as I can tell, are solidly middle class, today. From the tone of your post, you presumably wouldn't welcome that. Might be unavoidable though.

How would it be unavoidable when the homes are basically 3 and 4 garage McMansions on golf courses? This is true for Prestwick but the majority of homes in Frankfort are 3+ garage homes with nice lots by great parks and great schools. I just don't see how lower income people (white or asian) will be able to afford to move into these pristine communities (they are pristine simply due to the low crime rates and the way in which those home owners take care of their property and neighborhoods).

It's not like Matteson or Park Forest where the homes are 1 and 2 garage homes that all look the same. They won't flip the same way in which those towns did.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by kaedebonsai

Careful now...last time I made a comment about Berwyn I got accused of being a racist white boy...Which, I am neither white nor racist.

You didn't get accused of being a racist white boy, you were questioned about statements that don't seem supportable about Section 8 vouchers.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chica...ill-me-11.html

Still waiting on those addresses of the Section 8 "apartment buildings," and how you know the tenants are using the vouchers.

[At1WithNature]

And people might be interested to know that Frankfort has black dominated communities such as Georgetown off of Rt. 30 and Harlem Ave. I have family in Frankfort and when I visit these black people are some of the best people I have come across, no matter the color. why? they seem to be well educated and have morals! something supremely lacking in majority black communities such as chicago heights or ford heights. and white communties such as steger and south chicago heights (education levels?) and yes, Georgetown is 100% three and four garage homes that range in price from $400k to $600k. race has nothing to do with it. It's all about how you were raised. It's about if you value edcuation. it's about if you respect yourself enough to respect your neighbors. So far, Frankfort (black, white, or asian) has strong community ties who have a common bond...they want to create an environment that is perfect for raising a family.

now will it stay that way? unless coke dealers invade the town, it probably will. because the only way one could afford to move there, if they were criminally minded, is if they were an expert in white collar crime or sold cocaine. i don't think too many people who don't respect themselves, their neighbors, have value for education, and a code of ethics would be at an appropriate position to purchase a home in that town. It's just the way it is. It's probably like Flossmoor or Homewood 20 years ago. You see how well those towns do keeping the bad element out. It's because their residents are mostly people who actually CARE about things including themselves despite being surrounded by communities that have their troubles with crime, poor schools, etc. The Homewood and Flossmoor police forces are very strong and clear in their intent to keep the gangs out compared to neighboring towns like East Hazel Crest, Harvey, and Chicago Heights. Frankfort's police force has so many millions of dollars behind them, and they are so well trained, I can't ever envision their town going the way of Park Forest or Cal City (declining population, low test scores, unemployment rates, murders (Cal City had 9 last year and they only have like 30,000 people), etc).

[kaedebonsai]

I will write them down next time I am in the area.

[kaedebonsai]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

And people might be interested to know that Frankfort has black dominated communities such as Georgetown off of Rt. 30 and Harlem Ave. I have family in Frankfort and when I visit these black people are some of the best people I have come across, no matter the color. why? they seem to be well educated and have morals! something supremely lacking in majority black communities such as chicago heights or ford heights. and yes, Georgetown is 100% three and four garage homes that range in price from $400k to $600k. race has nothing to do with it. It's all about how you were raised. It's about if your value edcuation. it's about if your respect yourself enough to respect your neighbors. So far, Frankfort (black, white, or asian) has strong community ties who have a common bond...they want to create an environment that is perfect for raising a family.

Well said! I love it!

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

I just like to kid BRU because he tends to prefer Berwyn over other areas of Chicagoland that are clearly better (especially on paper). but it's only human nature to think where one lives or grew up is the best. besides, he's a quality poster so it should be fun to see his responses.

LOL! I'll surely bore you with this one then. First, I never said Berwyn is the "best." I merely said it was different and the people who choose to live in urban areas like this have a different mentality overall. The term "best" is subjective and different for everyone. What I find to be the best environment might be entirely different than what you do.

Second, I was using Frankfort as an example of the communities in the area, not as a direct comparison to nearby community X or Y. The entire area will continue to develop and change (probably somewhat rapidly given how fast it has grown over the past 10 years). Naturally, Frankfort will be impacted by that, one way or other. Hopefully the change will be positive and progressive.

[Mamama Mia]

[quote=At1WithNature;5877325]

Originally Posted by Mamama Mia

Obviously, you do not know what is real and what isn't. You have pre-conceived notions in your noggin that developed over decades of prejudices. Don't ruin this thread with your tired and bias diatribe. You do know that Frankfort, Mokena, and New Lenox just didn't pop up last year? You do realize that these communities have been around since the 1860's? Don't you? Many families have lived in these towns for generations! And these towns remain safe, with nationally acclaimed parks, great schools (better schools than where you live and where you went to school), low crime, and great neighborhoods. It's not their fault that mostly black towns are ruins in comparison to Frankfort, New Lenox, and Mokena. That's the black population's fault. Unfortunately, they don't have any answers. So, forbid the roughly 85,000 residents of these communities if they are majority white. Name a majority black town that has comparable crime rates, education levels, and school grades as Frankfort, New Lenox, Mokena, and the Lincoln Way school district. You can't!

there is no such thing as diversity in the souhtern suburbs unless the town has a large population such as Joliet. The only thing you have in the southern suburbs is towns that appear to be diverse because they were once simply white towns that are slowly becoming majority black due to white flight (which is caused by higher crime and lower school scores + higher truancy and drop out rates). There are not diverse towns in the southern suburbs (there are a few, but they are very rare), just towns in transformation.

*crickets*

Yikes! Why so defensive?

Each time I post something, you to attempt to add your own spin.
As I stated prior, to each his own. My choice would not be to raise children in a community without diversity. I would gladly trade lower district test scores for the life experiences.

Just my experience, my perspective. Simple as that.

[Mamama Mia]

Originally Posted by BRU67

LOL! I'll surely bore you with this one then. First, I never said Berwyn is the "best." I merely said it was different and the people who choose to live in urban areas like this have a different mentality overall. The term "best" is subjective and different for everyone. What I find to be the best environment might be entirely different than what you do.

Second, I was using Frankfort as an example of the communities in the area, not as a direct comparison to nearby community X or Y. The entire area will continue to develop and change (probably somewhat rapidly given how fast it has grown over the past 10 years). Naturally, Frankfort will be impacted by that, one way or other. Hopefully the change will be positive and progressive.

Good posting.

[At1WithNature]

[quote=Mamama Mia;5879036]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

Yikes! Why so defensive?

Each time I post something, you to attempt to add your own spin.
As I stated prior, to each his own. My choice would not be to raise children in a community without diversity. I would gladly trade lower district test scores for the life experiences.

Just my experience, my perspective. Simple as that.

My bad, it won't happen again.