New Lenox - Why we love it! (Chicago, Dolton: high crime, living)

[HighPlainsDrifter73]

[quote=At1WithNature;5877325]

Originally Posted by Mamama Mia

Obviously, you do not know what is real and what isn't. You have pre-conceived notions in your noggin that developed over decades of prejudices. Don't ruin this thread with your tired and bias diatribe. You do know that Frankfort, Mokena, and New Lenox just didn't pop up last year? You do realize that these communities have been around since the 1860's? Don't you? Many families have lived in these towns for generations! And these towns remain safe, with nationally acclaimed parks, great schools (better schools than where you live and where you went to school), low crime, and great neighborhoods. It's not their fault that mostly black towns are ruins in comparison to Frankfort, New Lenox, and Mokena. That's the black population's fault. Unfortunately, they don't have any answers. So, forbid the roughly 85,000 residents of these communities if they are majority white. Name a majority black town that has comparable crime rates, education levels, and school grades as Frankfort, New Lenox, Mokena, and the Lincoln Way school district. You can't!

there is no such thing as diversity in the souhtern suburbs unless the town has a large population such as Joliet. The only thing you have in the southern suburbs is towns that appear to be diverse because they were once simply white towns that are slowly becoming majority black due to white flight (which is caused by higher crime and lower school scores + higher truancy and drop out rates). There are not diverse towns in the southern suburbs (there are a few, but they are very rare), just towns in transformation.

*crickets*

Hey At1WithNature, that was not my post. I agree with you that these towns are beautiful areas and highly desireable.

[lionelrich]

Originally Posted by janegone

It's not the least bit diverse, which sadly is why many people choose the far southwest suburbs.

Who says diversity is a strength or a good thing? You have no proof of that. That's your own rude and subjective opinion. It causes needless tension and it breaks up communities. People in Japan and Mexico and Israel aren't brainwashed like you are, they like what their people and culture produces without being forced with anti-nativist indoctrination and marxist multi-cult nonsense.

http://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-.../dp/0743203046
Bowling Alone : The Collapse and Revival of American Community


The downside of diversity

A Harvard political scientist (Robert Putnam) finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ide..._of_diversity/

[HighPlainsDrifter73]

Originally Posted by lionelrich

Who says diversity is a strength or a good thing? You have no proof of that. That's your own rude and subjective opinion. It causes needless tension and it breaks up communities. People in Japan and Mexico and Israel aren't brainwashed like you are, they like what their people and culture produces without being forced with anti-nativist indoctrination and marxist multi-cult nonsense.

I just hate the word 'diversity'. It makes me think of having something forced on me that I don't want. I agree that the most homogenous towns have the least amount of friction and crime. People have been brainwashed to believe that diversity is a good thing.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by HighPlainsDrifter73

I just hate the word 'diversity'. It makes me think of having something forced on me that I don't want. I agree that the most homogenous towns have the least amount of friction and crime. People have been brainwashed to believe that diversity is a good thing.

Not necessarily true. The community areas and suburbs in Chicagoland with the highest crime rates and most miserable quality of life are homogenous. Harvey, for example, is about 90% African American. Englewood is about 99% African American. That's pretty homogenous. Some are pretty liberal with their terminology (pun intended) and will call a community "diverse" even if it is 75-85% of one minority group. I'd still consider that homogenous though.

[lionelrich]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Not necessarily true. The community areas and suburbs in Chicagoland with the highest crime rates and most miserable quality of life are homogenous. Harvey, for example, is about 90% African American. Englewood is about 99% African American. That's pretty homogenous. Some are pretty liberal with their terminology (pun intended) and will call a community "diverse" even if it is 75-85% of one minority group. I'd still consider that homogenous though.

You are opening up a can of worms that is "forbidden" for people to 'free speech' about on city-data. It's like comparing the Iowa flood folk to those in the Superdome. You can't do it in the USSA. Anyway, diversity is bad, it makes people less neighborly, there is no doubt about it. Anyone who lives in a diverse setting knows this, although many never think about it, they won't deny it when it's brought up, they can't, facts and truth are what they are. Thanks to all for the rep.

[HighPlainsDrifter73]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Not necessarily true. The community areas and suburbs in Chicagoland with the highest crime rates and most miserable quality of life are homogenous. Harvey, for example, is about 90% African American. Englewood is about 99% African American. That's pretty homogenous. Some are pretty liberal with their terminology (pun intended) and will call a community "diverse" even if it is 75-85% of one minority group. I'd still consider that homogenous though.

When I think of homogenous, I think of towns like Frankfort, Mokena and New Lenox. Low amount of crime rate and friction.

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Not necessarily true. The community areas and suburbs in Chicagoland with the highest crime rates and most miserable quality of life are homogenous. Harvey, for example, is about 90% African American. Englewood is about 99% African American. That's pretty homogenous. Some are pretty liberal with their terminology (pun intended) and will call a community "diverse" even if it is 75-85% of one minority group. I'd still consider that homogenous though.

Harvey is not 90% black, more like 75-79%. I'm from Harvey and it have a reasonable hispanic population and a few Asians. Harvey is more diverse than Frankfurt, Orland Park, and other southwest suburbs that been mention on this thread.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

Harvey is not 90% black, more like 75-79%. I'm from Harvey and it have a reasonable hispanic population and a few Asians. Harvey is more diverse than Frankfurt, Orland Park, and other southwest suburbs that been mention on this thread.

Harvey was 80% African American in the 2000 Census. My guess is that the % is higher now. But even if you're right, 75% African American and 20% Latino or whatever it would be is not diverse. There's also no diversity in socioeconomics. Technically, it is more diverse than Frankfort, Orland Park and others discussed in the thread but they're not diverse either.

[IlWesleyanGuy]

for God's sakes stop feeding them Popeyes Chicken already. LOL! (sources: WBBM FM 96.3 and Chicago Sun Times)[/quote]


Wow! You really posted this.

[jwv651]

FWIW...I was born in Roseland in Chicago...blacks started moving in and whites moved out...we were the last to move and it was tough. Roseland went from a nice area to a crime ridden area at a flick of a eye. We then moved to Dolton and guess what the same thing happened. We then moved to South holland and guess what it happened again. Crime went through the roof. Mind you every time we moved the cost of living was higher. My parents paid dearly to raise their family in a low crime area. The last 16 years I have lived in New Lenox with my own family and I don't plan to move. Yes our community is made up of mostly white folks and that is why I am here. Diversity has not worked for me. If you look at Roseland, Dolton and Soth Holland now the high crime rates are staggering. Matter of fact if you look at the southwest suburbs of Chicago since blacks took over...you will see crime has risen 3 fold since white folks moved out. Sorry it is what it is.