12-06-2016, 07:49 AM
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We bought our home in late 2009 for under $400k. We refinanced in 2013 with 20% down to eliminate PMI (original purchase we put down 15%) and secured a 30 year fixed rate mortgage at 3.125%. Our property taxes have been in the $5k-$5.5k range over the past few years and home insurance hovers around the $1k mark. Add it all up and it comes out to ~$1800/month. Safe to say we wouldn't be able to find a comparable rental for that price. Homes like ours in the neighborhood typically rent out in the $2200-2800 range depending upon condition/updates.
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IrishIllini
BUT PROPERTY TAXES!!!!!!!!!!
Factor in the higher state income tax in GA of 6% vs. Illinois at 3.75% and it's actually cheaper to live in Illinois. At least in the case of MKOT.
*Assuming a household income of ~$150K, you'll pay $3,375 less living in Illinois vs. Georgia for income tax.
Illinois at $150K x 3.75% = $5,625
Georgia at $150K x 6% = $9,000
I'm guessing with the dual income scenario that Taco has, the savings may be even more lopsided.
Bump up the household income to $250K and you get this >
Illinois at $250K x 3.75% = $9,375
Georgia at $250K x 6% = $15,000
12-06-2016, 08:19 AM
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Factor in the higher state income tax in GA of 6% vs. Illinois at 3.75% and it's actually cheaper to live in Illinois. At least in the case of MKOT.
Right, but his situation is very rare. The complete pieces of garbage I linked above are examples of what you can buy, finding an updated 4 bed home with at least 3000 square feet at that price is impossible in hinsdale, LaGrange area. My mom will also be retiring there and living with us, finding a home with a full daylight basement with a finished kitchen, space, etc in Illinois is not happening for 450k. Not unless you sacrifice something major, which we won't do.
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12-06-2016, 08:21 AM
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I put that up 8 years ago and never changed it. I've grown up a lot since then, and realized that world isn't nearly as black and white as I once thought.
Ahhhhh... well slap a psychic sign on your front window and open for business! Your description of illinois couldn't be more spot on, which is why we are high-tailing it out of here. Throwing your money at their corruption is just plain silly!
12-06-2016, 08:27 AM
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Factor in the higher state income tax in GA of 6% vs. Illinois at 3.75% and it's actually cheaper to live in Illinois. At least in the case of MKOT.
You do realize that Illinois' income tax will very likely be rising in the near future, right? The money to pay back the BILLIONS in debt has to come from somewhere
Also, again... for the home we'd want here we'd be looking at a monthly payment of 4K... therefor same house and same salaries looking at around 2k. Even with a 2.25 higher income tax rate we are still coming out ahead.
PAYING 6k MORE IN INCOME TAX IS < THE ADDITIONAL 24k MORE IN MORTGAGE PAYMENTS!!!
Good lord.
12-06-2016, 08:41 AM
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Looking at income taxes only, yes. OTOH, most of my friends who have relocated to suburban Atlanta have told me that they (still) have a slightly lower cost of living vs suburban Chicago, regardless of the income tax. Even being able to deduct more property taxes on their 1040s living in IL still put them at a better 'net' living down south. YMMV.
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Factor in the higher state income tax in GA of 6% vs. Illinois at 3.75% and it's actually cheaper to live in Illinois. At least in the case of MKOT.
12-06-2016, 08:49 AM
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Looking at income taxes only, yes. OTOH, most of my friends who have relocated to suburban Atlanta have told me that they (still) have a slightly lower cost of living vs suburban Chicago, regardless of the income tax. Even being able to deduct more property taxes on their 1040s living in IL still put them at a better 'net' living down south. YMMV.
Totally agree, but then you have the roadside carnival vs. Disney argument that I mentioned. Atlanta is nothing like Chicago, but if one prefers hot summers vs. cold winters and does not desire or benefit from a big city atmosphere, sure, move to Atlanta and save a few bucks.
12-06-2016, 08:55 AM
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Totally agree, but then you have the roadside carnival vs. Disney argument that I mentioned. Atlanta is nothing like Chicago, but if one prefers hot summers vs. cold winters and does not need or benefit from a big city atmosphere, sure, move to Atlanta and save a few bucks.
I agree with you- Chicago is amazing, and some of my friends do as well. They wanted their cake and be able to eat it too- splitting the difference by living/working south of the Mason-Dixon line while keeping a small studio apartment near downtown Chicago (AirBnB!).
cheers
12-06-2016, 08:57 AM
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I agree with you- Chicago is amazing, and some of my friends do as well. They wanted their cake and be able to eat it too- splitting the difference by living/working south of the Mason-Dixon line while keeping a small studio apartment near downtown Chicago (AirBnB!).
That seems like a lot of work for what may amount to $300 dollars in savings per year, lol. I guess the Air BnB generates enough income to make it worth it?
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12-06-2016, 09:07 AM
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Are these even habitable? And, with 350 and taxes, that is still over 1800/ month. You'd actually be more like 2200+ after escrow.
I still don't see how 1800 (all-in payment) in Hinsdale is a reality without buying a place that needs significant work or has other HUGE drawbacks.
12-06-2016, 09:08 AM
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We bought our home in late 2009 for under $400k. We refinanced in 2013 with 20% down to eliminate PMI (original purchase we put down 15%) and secured a 30 year fixed rate mortgage at 3.125%. Our property taxes have been in the $5k-$5.5k range over the past few years and home insurance hovers around the $1k mark. Add it all up and it comes out to ~$1800/month. Safe to say we wouldn't be able to find a comparable rental for that price. Homes like ours in the neighborhood typically rent out in the $2200-2800 range depending upon condition/updates.
OK - this is much more inline with what I would expect. That same home from 2009 would almost certainly be closer to 500K today, or more. Add that to the current 4% rates, and we're well above 1800/ month. That's simply not a number that people moving into Hinsdale can find today.
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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