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Old 05-05-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Crook County, Illinois
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But I can see many of the same dynamics down throgh the years in other schools like them: ETHS, OPRF, H-F,etc. there is a high profile aspect to onness that one doesnz’t see in such outstanding high schools as GBN/GBS or HPHS/DHS
I lived in a school district with two rival high schools. The school spirit in mine was laughably low. Most students just wanted to get their schoolwork out of the way, and live their lives; you know, like working adults with their jobs. Other than among popular athletes, the rivalry was virtually nonexistent. If anything, the Powers That Be spent more time lambasting the rival school than the students did. The students who did lambaste the rival school did so only in jest, or to comply with groupthink during pep rallies. Most people simply didn't care. So at least in my case, the cohesion or lack thereof argument doesn't hold water.

I think what was killing the school spirit was the draconian rules. Things like food outside the cafeteria, being in hallways at certain times, cameras everywhere, totalitarian monitoring, etc. I heard from younger people it only got worse after I graduated. The rules ticked off people to the point where the school wasn't seen as anything to be proud of.

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Old 05-05-2019, 06:40 PM
 
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Clue me in: What distinguishes a top-of-the-line school like Stevenson from, say, Proviso East? Or even a halfway decent one, like Palatine. Enough to upturn everything else in your life. Are school districts really worth it?
For us? Opportunities.

And we aren't upturning everything in our lives. We have A LOT of positives outside of our districts (I thank my lucky stars every day). I simply stated that the #1 reason why we've decided to stay put is due to the schools.


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Property taxes in affluent areas are pretty much universally lower than in less affluent areas in Illinois.
Well, I suppose it boils down to what you define as high and low. Where I'm originally from, taxes would be about half of what we pay out here. We have friends in our district who are paying anywhere between 20k - 50k annually in property taxes. Sure seems high to me.

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Old 05-05-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Clue me in: What distinguishes a top-of-the-line school like Stevenson from, say, Proviso East? Or even a halfway decent one, like Palatine. Enough to upturn everything else in your life. Are school districts really worth it?
It would be difficult to "prove" one school is better than another. So many factors are at play. I used to teach in the Glenview public schools which were made up of three clusters (a cluster would pair a K-3 building with a 4-6, although the district did switch to K-2 and 3-5 when it went with 6th-8th middle schools). The clusters broke down into east, middle and west. I taught in the east portion, the part of Glenview that is essentially North Shore. My students standardized test results were better than the results of teachers in the Middle and Western portion. And it had nothing to do with what or how I thought. Affluence pays off for those who have it.

But if you want to put Stevenson, Palatine, Proviso East on a spectrum (and let's throw in DuSable as part of the mix), I would contend that there is, no doubt, schools outperforming other schools. But so much of that is connected to the tax base of each district, the inequality baked into the system because some schools simply have more money than others due to property tax being the basis for funding.

Stevenson is clearly far better than DuSable because of all the advantages given it. But what would it be like if we funded schools differently....that Stevenson was able to have the money it now has but duSable was funded to the same degree as AESHS. If it were, I have little question that DuSable would be doing a helluva lot better than it is (not that equal funding could correct all the inequalities....but it would sure help)
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Old 05-05-2019, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Evanston, Lake Forest, and Wrigleyville, Illinois
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Stevenson is homogenous.?????? Seriously? Stenson is so diverse that it makes the United Nations seem homogenous. AESHS is one of the best examples of the better America that is on its way...a vast assortment of people whose roots come from innumerable parts of the world, a place where a “majority” mercifully does not exist. And the student body embraces this diversity...or, better still, doesn’t even think about it at all because race, ethnicity, religion form no sort of a divide

And while there is no denying of District 125’s affluence, this is by no means as dominatingly high income demographics, the Stevenson area is no New Trier Twp. Lots of it is solidly middle class..such as by what is the district’s largest ton, BuffaloGrove,

You don’t have to approve of those bragidious signs put up on school, home and bumper sticker. Nobody is going to give a rat’s ass about your approval. That said, I lament the ego driven, IM-best attitude that seems to be on display. But that doesn’tvtell m canything about mid-Lake County. Instead it tells me about how egocentric and me centere America is.

And for that, unlike you, I say BRAVO to greatvpublic high schools like Stevenson or NewcTrietvthat provide the samevpublic, tuition free excellent schools who are open to all....something that I embrace as a true positive although to be honest, there are some insufferable, snooty elitest forumers here who bemoan thec} “have to take all” equalitarian struture of our public schools.
This post reads like it was written when you were having a little too much fun...

Stevenson is not diverse. Upper-middle-class white, Jewish, and Asian is not a cross-section of the United States of America. "Stenson is so diverse that it makes the United Nations seem homogenous," is a laughable statement.

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Well, I suppose it boils down to what you define as high and low. Where I'm originally from, taxes would be about half of what we pay out here. We have friends in our district who are paying anywhere between 20k - 50k annually in property taxes. Sure seems high to me.
Tax rates in affluent communities in Illinois are lower than those in less affluent communities. It's not about defining what is "high and low." It is a factual statement to say that property taxes are generally lower in more affluent Illinois municipalities than they are in less affluent ones. My property taxes are $26k per year in Lake Forest. That doesn't mean Lake Forest's taxes are higher than other Chicago suburbs. In fact, they are among the very lowest. My parents are at over $35k in Evanston. Evanston's property tax rates are also lower than those in neighboring communities. Property values in these areas tend to be higher than average, and therefore effective and composite rates will be lower.
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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Stevenson is homogenous.?????? Seriously? Stenson is so diverse that it makes the United Nations seem homogenous. AESHS is one of the best examples of the better America that is on its way...a vast assortment of people whose roots come from innumerable parts of the world, a place where a “majority” mercifully does not exist. And the student body embraces this diversity...or, better still, doesn’t even think about it at all because race, ethnicity, religion form no sort of a divide

And while there is no denying of District 125’s affluence, this is by no means as dominatingly high income demographics, the Stevenson area is no New Trier Twp. Lots of it is solidly middle class..such as by what is the district’s largest ton, BuffaloGrove,

You don’t have to approve of those bragidious signs put up on school, home and bumper sticker. Nobody is going to give a rat’s ass about your approval. That said, I lament the ego driven, IM-best attitude that seems to be on display. But that doesn’tvtell m canything about mid-Lake County. Instead it tells me about how egocentric and me centere America is.

And for that, unlike you, I say BRAVO to greatvpublic high schools like Stevenson or NewcTrietvthat provide the samevpublic, tuition free excellent schools who are open to all....something that I embrace as a true positive although to be honest, there are some insufferable, snooty elitest forumers here who bemoan thec} “have to take all” equalitarian struture of our public schools.
I agree with Hiruko. If you're a smart kid, you'll do well anywhere.

However, some of these districts may have more resources and will give kids access to things that a district that does not act more "globally" will not. A lot of links, but Stevenson is quite diverse in having a larger Asian population and not much else. It's quite a bit more diverse than New Trier though. Both Stevenson and New Trier students would not interact with lower income kids often I assume, unless they volunteer elsewhere on a daily basis. I'm assuming these kids are given quite a bit more opportunities than kids at schools that just have less to offer. That said, it's a shame how home values end up getting tied to school districts purely based on perception in certain instances (not Stevenson and NT so much - they'd likely be expensive areas anyway). I'm speaking more about areas with more modest housing that have seen dramatic price increases or stagnating prices. It ends up becoming somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy with supply and demand in various districts.

Stevenson diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Stevenson low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...rce2=lowincome

New Trier diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/d...ntdemographics

New Trier low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/d...id=05016203017


Waubonsie and Metea Valley in the Naperville/Aurora area are arguably more affordable, good performing schools that are more diverse than Stevenson and New Trier.

Waubonsie Valley diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Waubonsie Valley low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...90222040260001

Metea Valley diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Metea Valley low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...90222040260005

Just a couple examples of inner-ring burbs - Evergreen Park and Maine East are quite diverse, though a slightly larger low income population. The overall school performance isn't great, but you'll see some stronger performing schools at the elementary school level. What isn't reflected in the Maine East numbers are the amount of European born or first-generation Europeans. The point: you can succeed in many places
Evergreen Park diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Evergreen Park low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...70162310160001

Maine East diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Maine East low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...50162070170001


Niles North, Evanston and Oak Park may provide some of the better combinations of demographic diversity while having stronger performing student populations

Niles North diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Niles North low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...50162190170002

Evanston diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Evanston low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...50162020170001

Oak Park diversity
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...ntdemographics

Oak Park low income
https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/s...60162000130001
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Old 01-09-2020, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Evanston, Lake Forest, and Wrigleyville, Illinois
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Golf
It's tucked away between Glenview, Niles, and Skokie. Despite its long history, its own Metra station, and its namesake road, very few people know it even exists. Unless, of course, they get pulled over on Golf Road at night and see the cop car.
Golf Road is not actually within the Village of Golf. That stretch of Golf Road is typically (always) enforced by the Cook County Sheriff.
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Old 01-09-2020, 10:46 PM
 
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Golf Road is not actually within the Village of Golf. That stretch of Golf Road is typically (always) enforced by the Cook County Sheriff.
Correct, it splits the Village of Golf to the North and Morton Grove to the south.

Imagine that job, by the way? A Golf cop? Holy sh*t what a gig.

And speaking of Morton Grove, it certainly doesn't belong on the big board for this discussion. But, am I wrong to say that it's one of the lesser known suburbs in the N/NW belt? If you're not from Skokie or Glenview, do you even know where Morton Grove is? Even when we lived in Glenview, Morton Grove wasn't even so much as whispered. Burt's was, but the town wasn't. Kind of weird.
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Old 01-09-2020, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Evanston, Lake Forest, and Wrigleyville, Illinois
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Correct, it splits the Village of Golf to the North and Morton Grove to the south.

Imagine that job, by the way? A Golf cop? Holy sh*t what a gig.

And speaking of Morton Grove, it certainly doesn't belong on the big board for this discussion. But, am I wrong to say that it's one of the lesser known suburbs in the N/NW belt? If you're not from Skokie or Glenview, do you even know where Morton Grove is? Even when we lived in Glenview, Morton Grove wasn't even so much as whispered. Burt's was, but the town wasn't. Kind of weird.
I know a couple of families that lived in Morton Grove—both since moved away. All this popped in my head because over the past several days, Cook County Sheriff's deputies have been pulling people over left and right on Golf Road.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Crook County, Illinois
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Golf Road is not actually within the Village of Golf. That stretch of Golf Road is typically (always) enforced by the Cook County Sheriff.
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I know a couple of families that lived in Morton Grove—both since moved away. All this popped in my head because over the past several days, Cook County Sheriff's deputies have been pulling people over left and right on Golf Road.
I see quite a few Golf cops on the side of Golf Road; only on the north side, which belongs to Golf. Maybe Cook County sheriffs "help out" too. I suppose in a village that tiny with no tax base, they need the ticket revenue. That's true only at night, though. During the day, there's no one there, so Golf Road is like an autobahn: people drive fast but orderly. I use Dempster Street when going west from I-94 late at night.
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Old 01-10-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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mwj119, Hey, I'm a Milwaukeean and I know Morton Grove It looks like many Koreans that left Albany Park, after first settling there, made Morton Grove one of the new places to call home, amongst the N/NW suburbs. Also, Morton Grove has a newer Moretti's. The first one of those I went to was in Edison Park.
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