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Old 05-22-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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MWJ - great points although i think the night scene in Royal Oak blows out Oak Park. But Oak Park is on its way there and i bet in near future these two will be very very alike to your point...

I also think if you take Evanston and mush it together with Naperville here you would get an Ann Arbor.

I do feel La Grange and Elmhurst remind me of Plymouth and Western Springs to Northville... With Hinsdale to Birmingham...

While Oak Park is growing, I don't think you'll see any emphasis on "night scene" any time soon. Oak Park is a family suburb and is not at all focuses on "night scene" other than restaurants and pubs.


Oak Park really is *not* much like Royal Oak. It's more liberal, it's a full tier above it with regards to amenities, strictly upwardly mobile white collar, housing stock, etc. Royal Oak would be like a nicer Berwyn.
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Old 05-22-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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Misinformation correction.

Evanston, Wilmette, Winnetka, Glencoe, Highland Park, Highwood(Fort Sheridan), Lake Bluff and Lake Forest all have public beaches. Some of those towns have more than one.

In Highland Park the beaches are fairly well utilized. Kids go often to hang out or swim. Some just walk to the beach daily as part of their exercise routine. There is morning yoga through the park district at the beach. The high school after graduation party (for all graduates) culminates with a breakfast on the beach. Some of the beaches further north have marinas (Waukegan and Winthrop Harbor), as does Wilmette on a limited basis.

The pics are of Rosewood Beach in Highland Park.

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Old 05-23-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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I'm not a drinker much so rather than seeing restrictions on alcohol, I see it everywhere. Oodles of places to get a drink, no problem. I guess it depends on your vantage point.
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Old 05-23-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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Many younger transplants (+chets big city kids/new young families) especially take aggressive issue with it and to us it is a dry equivalent when compared to what we are used to - sometimes you just want to have a drink, relax and not eat/feel like you are in a restaurant... but its changing, thankfully...
That's interesting...is this a thing that's actually noticeable to people out of state, and if so why? I'm not a transplant, but I fit in that age group. I'm actually surprised if I go to a bar that doesn't serve food, too. I've never felt pressured to order food or felt like I'm in a restaurant. Usually I think "I'm in a bar that serves food". I've never noticed a server thrown off by my table only ordering drinks.


There's a couple bars in Chicago I know of that are known for not serving food. I can't name any offhand in the suburbs, but when looking for a bar to go to I never had to mentally differentiate between bars and restaurants when only planning to order drinks. Just my own experience.
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Old 05-23-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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Fusill, Don’t you think It kind of feels strange that a town like Elmhurst, Hinsdale, La Grange, Oak Park (for example) with fairly energetic cores (in burb sense) do not have a nice martini bar or a nice wine bar or brewery/distillery? Just very recently this has been changing as burbs get younger IMO – But like mentioned earlier when we explored Oak Park 4 years ago they were dry proud… We were and still are a young family from out of state and it freaked us out… Oak Park has come a long way in that time (as have many others) and good for them!

4 years ago it was much more noticeable then it is today. New restaurants (as bars technically are still ordinance restricted) in most burbs are blurring those lines by elevating there lounge spaces. But the bottom line is IF alcohol revenues are greater than 40% (and they must report them to local government) they get shut down… Why focus on drink experiences when your not allowed to...

For transplants it’s much more noticeable as we are used to the more vibrant towns at least having some dedicated (standalone) nicer/trendier bar spaces. I completely agree with you that it makes sense for most drinking places to probably have some element of food. Here though your business model must be 60% food revenue and you have to prove it else you get shut down – so you have no choice but to be a restaurant ultimately…

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Old 05-23-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Fusill, Don’t you think It kind of feels strange that a town like Elmhurst, Hinsdale, La Grange, Oak Park (for example) with fairly energetic cores (in burb sense) do not have a nice martini bar or a nice wine bar or brewery/distillery? Just very recently this has been changing as burbs get younger IMO – But like mentioned earlier when we explored Oak Park 4 years ago they were dry proud… We were and still are a young family from out of state and it freaked us out… Oak Park has come a long way in that time and good for them!
Not really, because for the most part they have bars and restaurants. I haven't made an effort to go out in Oak Park specifically for a night of drinking, so that's probably why I never noticed. I didn't question whether bars, etc. existed there, though. In general, I don't think about ordinances or the business' revenue sources while I'm out, maybe revenue sources if I'm talking to a friend that likes to talk about businesses. Ordinances have never prevented me from purchasing a beverage when I was in the mood for one.


In general, I've never considered that one of the main commercial thoroughfares in a town such as the ones you mentioned would be home to a brewery or distillery. I would expect some bars focused on beer, cocktails or wine, though. Elmhurst has locations that are clearly bars that serve food and are right in its downtown. I would expect breweries or distilleries to have more off the beaten path locations assuming they need a larger facility focused on brewing or distilling.


I'm sure you understand the nuances of LaGrange better than I do, but certain places there I'd consider bars, in my opinion.


Other towns such as Downers Grove, Naperville, Wheaton, Forest Park (maybe just in) and Oak Lawn have bars both in and out of their downtowns.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:04 PM
 
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Even La Grange feels very different today vs. 4 years ago - when we moved here it was Wild Monk only if you wanted a bar experience... We also considered that a bar (when we moved here) but they are handcuffed just as much as the others... I bet Nikita will also say Elmhurst has changed a lot...

For me its strange though (as a transplant) that such restrictions are in place. The restriction has caused our LG downtown to miss out on wine/martini bar investments and even a brewery that did not want to focus on food... I am a beer snob mostly therefore fight the fight as i know breweries/distilleries are good community stewards - my experience from out of state again...

Nothing here has discouraged me - We greatly enjoy Chicago since moving here... This is just something that feels different again in the context of this thread's goal.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:28 PM
 
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Even La Grange feels very different today vs. 4 years ago - when we moved here it was Wild Monk only if you wanted a bar experience... We also considered that a bar (when we moved here) but they are handcuffed just as much as the others... I bet Nikita will also say Elmhurst has changed a lot...

For me its strange though (as a transplant) that such restrictions are in place. The restriction has caused our LG downtown to miss out on wine/martini bar investments and even a brewery that did not want to focus on food... I am a beer snob mostly therefore fight the fight as i know breweries/distilleries are good community stewards - my experience from out of state again...

Nothing here has discouraged me - We greatly enjoy Chicago since moving here... This is just something that feels different again in the context of this thread's goal.

That's believable. It seems like there's a lot of newer looking places in most of the suburban downtowns. I've only been back in the burbs for less than 2 years, so prior to that my suburban visits were more sparse.
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Old 05-24-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Yes, Elmhurst has added a lot of new bar type places in the 5 years I've lived here. Just off the top of my head we got Red Arrow Tap Room, Beerhead, and Elmhurst Brewing Company. They are all definitely alcohol (beer, specifically) focused. We already had Tannins when I moved in and then added Flight 112 for wine. There are a lot of bars in Elmhurst though. We often say we're going to do a bar crawl, but in 5 years that still hasn't actually happened.
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Old 05-24-2018, 10:03 AM
 
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Elmhurst now definitely looks more of what I would expect (lens/perspective of transplant) of a vibrant town like this today vs. when we looked 4 years ago even... I would go further to say this new Elmhurst 2.0 is better positioned to compete for that specific demo: young families/transplants/Chet's city kids compared to other desirable suburban towns resisting change...

Its just really much cooler now with more to do... The concerns of bars never tore the family friendly fabric/dynamics or character of the town - just added a little additional more energy and fun.

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