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Old 04-28-2017, 07:50 AM
 
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It says a lot to me that some of the Chicago community areas and suburbs which show the fiercest loyalty to the Democratic Party are virtually ignored by progressives as places to actually live.
No, that's not correct. They aren't ignored at all. It's just less of the 'flag flying' progressives that end up in some of those areas.
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Old 04-28-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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Illinois Republicans are more moderate than many in other parts of the country. And there are more swing voters or independents here.
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Old 04-28-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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No, that's not correct. They aren't ignored at all. It's just less of the 'flag flying' progressives that end up in some of those areas.
I didn't say they were ignored. I said they were ignored as places to live. There's plenty of lip service given to these neighborhoods by progressives, that I will give you.
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Old 04-28-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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Illinois Republicans are more moderate than many in other parts of the country. And there are more swing voters or independents here.
Thank goodness.
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Old 05-02-2017, 04:03 PM
 
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Talking Hypocrites

I looove all you trendy liberal "progressives" preaching about muh diversity and tolerance, yet every suburb you listed is overwhelmingly white.

If you want real diversity and Democratic bastions, than move to any suburb on the southside, Harvey, Robbins, etc. Otherwise, you are being a racist
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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I looove all you trendy liberal "progressives" preaching about muh diversity and tolerance, yet every suburb you listed is overwhelmingly white.

If you want real diversity and Democratic bastions, than move to any suburb on the southside, Harvey, Robbins, etc. Otherwise, you are being a racist
There are always remarkably narrow recommendations of where the socially liberal should live. Many progressives - I would say most in fact - will tell you passionately that the cause of the social misery in our most impoverished neighborhoods was disinvestment by white businesses and residents and blockbusting by unscrupulous realtors. This has been a talking point for as long as I can remember, and there are too many left leaning books and articles based on this premise to even count.

But if they truly believe that, then the simple way for them to correct it would be for these enlightened individuals to lead by example and reinvest in these communities. Open businesses in these underserved communities. Desegregate them by going against the unscrupulous realtors peddling mere fear and buying properties anyway.

Yet, for six decades now, they have consistently refused to do this. Either they are hypocrites or they don't really believe what they're saying. Or both. It's quite frustrating.
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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There are always remarkably narrow recommendations of where the socially liberal should live. Many progressives - I would say most in fact - will tell you passionately that the cause of the social misery in our most impoverished neighborhoods was disinvestment by white businesses and residents and blockbusting by unscrupulous realtors. This has been a talking point for as long as I can remember, and there are too many left leaning books and articles based on this premise to even count.

But if they truly believe that, then the simple way for them to correct it would be for these enlightened individuals to lead by example and reinvest in these communities. Open businesses in these underserved communities. Desegregate them by going against the unscrupulous realtors peddling mere fear and buying properties anyway.

Yet, for six decades now, they have consistently refused to do this. Either they are hypocrites or they don't really believe what they're saying. Or both. It's quite frustrating.
Why is it liberals who are the ones charged with doing this? Can not conservatives take up the same mantle? Don't conservatives want for those in poverty to have a better life as well?
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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Why is it liberals who are the ones charged with doing this? Can not conservatives take up the same mantle? Don't conservatives want for those in poverty to have a better life as well?
I think conservatives would have a very different view of the cause of the misery. Liberals have the theory that the only reason the residents of these areas are down is because of disinvestment, blockbusting and, I forgot, withdrawn City services, sorry. But that should be easy to correct if it's true, right?
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Old 05-03-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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I looove all you trendy liberal "progressives" preaching about muh diversity and tolerance, yet every suburb you listed is overwhelmingly white.

If you want real diversity and Democratic bastions, than move to any suburb on the southside, Harvey, Robbins, etc. Otherwise, you are being a racist
A LOT of people choose to live in certain parts of the town because of schools, safety, commute and accessibility, and a few other reasons like entertainment and lifestyle access. And they also tend to live in places where wealth levels are similar to theirs as well.

By your logic, there's nothing preventing people from Harvey, Robbins, and the southside from moving to other parts of Chicagoland either. So it cuts both ways.

Now if you actually say that there are suburbs that have equally good schools and are equally safe, and yet are shunned by certain segments of society, that is a valid point. But it is almost impossible to find such examples. And to be honest, we could do with a lot more such examples.
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Old 05-03-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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By your logic, there's nothing preventing people from Harvey, Robbins, and the southside from moving to other parts of Chicagoland either. So it cuts both ways.
$$$$$ is why that isn't a fair comparison. Our liberal suburbs are very expensive, particularly in the realm of property taxes. That's why I thought it was rather comical when the Oak Park board of trustees recently voted to become a sanctuary city. The Village is like 6% Hispanic, LOL! It made them feel better though.
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