Elmwood park , What is happing to it? (Chicago, Schaumburg: houses, neighborhoods)

[ndfmnlf]

I lived in Austin when it changed in the late 60s and early 70s. Nobody in their right mind who could'a left would'a stayed. Things simply start getting dangerous---people getting robbed, apartments and houses broken into. So if you can you leave, that's that.

The answer to this is and always has been: judge people as individuals, not as members of a race. That's how the law works. The looters and robbers should be penalized for their actions. But you don't prejudge and penalize an entire race for that. The answer to racial prejudice, believe it or not, is a conservative principle that has been forgotten by many so-called conservatives: individual responsibility for one's actions. A person is judged according to his or her individual merits, not according to his or her membership in certain groups.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

I lived in Austin when it changed in the late 60s and early 70s. Nobody in their right mind who could'a left would'a stayed. Things simply start getting dangerous---people getting robbed, apartments and houses broken into. So if you can you leave, that's that.

I could go into detail but you wouldn't believe it (well some of you would), besides, some things don't have a statute of limitations.

I would love to hear those stories... Too bad you're in Kentucky.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

The answer to this is and always has been: judge people as individuals, not as members of a race. That's how the law works. The looters and robbers should be penalized for their actions. But you don't prejudge and penalize an entire race for that. The answer to racial prejudice, believe it or not, is a conservative principle that has been forgotten by many so-called conservatives: individual responsibility for one's actions. A person is judged according to his or her individual merits, not according to his or her membership in certain groups.

When dealt a bad hand you deal with it. Sorry I didn't have time to be the Ghandi of Austin, I had my own life to get on with.

You imply that people who leave a racially changing neighborhood are racist or prejudiced and that's simply untrue. But when it comes to getting jumped in my own gangway and having my place broken into, yeah, I'm intolerant of that.

You seem to imply I'm a conservative, I ain't.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

I would love to hear those stories... Too bad you're in Kentucky.

I'll be back Kid.

[ndfmnlf]

Oh, get off your high horse, I don't need a lecture from you. When dealt a bad hand you deal with it. Sorry I didn't have time to be the Ghandi of Austin, I had my own life to get on with.

You imply that people who leave a racially changing neighborhood are racist or prejudiced and that's simply untrue. But when it comes to getting jumped in my own gangway and having my place broken into, yeah, I'm intolerant of that.

You seem to imply I'm a conservative, I ain't.

Dude, don't take yourself too seriously. I wasn't talking about you specifically.

[Avengerfire]

Even the first wave of blacks that moved into Austin were not professionals.
Austin was almost entirely Irish and went to almost entirely Black in less than 10 years.
The riots in the late 60's had a lot to do with people moving out.

I would like Irishtom to tell us about some things that I (and many others here) was not around for while keeping it clean...

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

Dude, don't take yourself too seriously. I wasn't talking about you specifically.

Ok, dude.

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Even the first wave of blacks that moved into Austin were not professionals.
Austin was almost entirely Irish and went to almost entirely Black in less than 10 years.
The riots in the late 60's had a lot to do with people moving out.

I would like Irishtom to tell us about some things that I (and many others here) was not around for while keeping it clean...

I'd love to hear some of those stories too.

[concerned resident]

Quote posted by NDF
Did you always own your home outright? You said you paid for your mortgage. That means you didn't own your home outright. Did you not benefit from the mortgage interest and property tax deduction, which is really nothing more than a subsidy given to you by the government you despise? How different is this subsidy from the subsidy the government gives to section 8 residents?
In response to this ludicrous comparison, receiving the right to an interest and property tax deduction each year is an earned right-meaning the majority of homeowners work to receive this subsidy. The majority of section 8 renters that I have encountered in my life time do not work and expect this subsidy as something owed to them, along with link card,etc.

[ndfmnlf]

In response to this ludicrous comparison, receiving the right to an interest and property tax deduction each year is an earned right-meaning the majority of homeowners work to receive this subsidy. The majority of section 8 renters that I have encountered in my life time do not work and expect this subsidy as something owed to them, along with link card,etc.

Okay, show me where it says in the US Constitution that the mortgage interest deduction is a right.

You can call it whatever you want, but the mortgage interest deduction is a subsidy to you from the government. The deduction is a form of wealth redistribution wherein the wealth of non-homeowners is transferred to homeowners. Perhaps you never really understood this, but math is math. And a subsidy is a subsidy.

When you get a "tax break" for owning a home, the government has to find other sources of revenue to make up for its shortfall. It raises taxes elsewhere. The non-homeowners will get to share a proportionately higher tax burden in their income taxes which they can't offset through the mortgage interest deduction.

You call yourself a true conservative. In reality, you are no different from the section 8 beneficiaries that you accuse of feeding off the government trough. You have the same entitlement mentality, i.e., you feel entitled to receive a subsidy in the form of the tax deduction just because you carry a mortgage.

The mortgage interest deduction is in fact one of our largest entitlement programs, projected to cost $100 billion in 2009 alone. You don't view this as such because you have deluded yourself into thinking you are somehow "superior" to those who merely rent, and therefore you can't be associated with any subsidy. I know you must think you're far above receiving hand-outs from the government, but it's all semantics my friend.

Some true conservatives see the duplicity behind this and are actually calling for the abolition of the mortgage interest deduction:

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