Conservative suburbs (Evanston, Skokie, Des Plaines: exemption, living in, mall)

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by sukwoo

What do you expect, its a discussion forum, we're supposed to have a clash of opinions. Besides, since younger, internet-savvy Americans are more socially liberal than the average American, its not surprising your perspective is a minority one. Nevertheless, you're perfectly entitled to hold it, but not entitled to be unchallenged.

gee...i wonder why the younger generation is this way. obviously, this is simply due to legal drugs like the television and what spews forth through those monitors. the bottomline is not too many americans think for themselves these days. please don't take offense to that because i don't mean you or 90% of the people on these message boards. because most of you/us have demonstrated the ability to engage in rational discussions with unique viewpoints. too bad the majority of america does not post on city data. wait, i actually think that is a good thing!

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

Depends on where you live. It's completely normal in my neck of the woods. I'd say it's normal in any downtown area including the Loop. It's normal in malls like Old Orchard and Woodfield. You guys are sheltered in your South and West Suburban towns.

that's true. plus the post about more whites on section 8...got anything to back that up? i find that hard to believe. besides, as chicagoans, we know total numbers don't mean anything compared to per capita (look at the murder rates for example). the real truth is based upon the percentage of a population.

[oakparkdude]

Regarding nostalgia for the 50s, in some respects things were better back then. Particularly, I think that the economic power of blue collar workers was stronger due to strong unions and the fact that Europe and Japan were rebuilding from rubble. Drug use was less prevalent due to the lack of a well-established international drug trade.

I think what really hit the urban underclass hard beginning in the 1970s was the deindustrialization of the cities and the simultaneous influx of hard-core drugs (opioids mostly) from overseas. Its a tragedy that just as the barriers to entry into well-paying blue collar jobs were falling, these jobs were beginning to be lost to overseas competition. The historical great American prosperity ladder (used by the Irish, the Italians, etc) started to lose its bottom-most rungs. On top of that came the drug wave which devastated poor but stable communities.

[At1WithNature]

The drug wave that devastated poor but stable communities, most importantly, fractured their commonities. It made strong groups of people turn against each other. Loud, vocalized groups such as the Vice Lords used to receive Federal Grants to improve their neighborhoods and communities. I just find it pretty convienant that at the very time large, strong groups of black americans were forming and vocalizing themselves, heroin just happened to hit and hit hard with crack soon to follow. Whether intended or not, the heroin entering the black community pretty much put an end to whatever momentum they had as one solitary unit of force moving towards a better future.

[pesco]

Here are 2001 Section 8 stats from HUD.

"Based on information from the Multifamily Tenant Characteristics Systems (MTCS) data from HUD, as of May 2001, approximately 1.5 million families receive assistance through the Section 8 program (The program has grown significantly since 2001 and some more recent estimates put this number closer to 2 million). These families represent approximately 4.1 million household members. “54 percent of Section 8 households were white, 42 percent were African American, and 16% were Hispanic. Average annual income for families to receive assistance is $10,773 (amounts are in constant 2000 calendar year dollars). Of all families, 61 percent are extremely low-income (less than 30 percent of the median), 24 percent are very low-income (less than 50 percent of the median), and 5 percent are low-income (less than 80 percent of the median)."

[At1WithNature]

there has to be more than just 1.5 million. there is probably 1.5 million in the detroit, milwaukee, and chicago areas alone! And then you have other programs involving LINK cards, food stamps, etc. The cost is astronmical to the responsible every day hard working american. it's the irresponsible who get bailed out.

Thanks for posting the link.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

plus the post about more whites on section 8...got anything to back that up? i find that hard to believe.

That wasn't my post. I have no idea.

[Manigault]

Actually, what I mentioned is that, numerically, there are more whites in all government assistance programs, such as sec. 8, medicaid, public assistance and the like than there are minorities. Why would this be hard to believe? Far too often the 'race card' is played as to entitlement programs.

For the details on the Smithtown situation on Long Island, see that forum on this board.

[promis1]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

Without posters like promis1, this forum would be boring! we should thank him for his posts as they make for the most interesting conversations in this suburbs forum plus it helps the work day go by faster. I happen to like him because he's not afraid to go against the grain and stand up for what he believes in. I would appreciate that quality in almost anyone. it is rare today to see people like that.

also if you want to get technical, it is abnormal to see to men holding hands or kissing. it's just the facts. why? because until same sex couple out number natural couples, then they will continue to be abnormal. and i am no homophobe. the guy 2 cubicles down from me is gay and he's alright. there's a lot of gays in chicago and it is impossible not to run in to them on a daily (week day) basis if you happen to work with them.

Thanks for the credit AT1WITHNATURE. I give you the same credit for being one of the few on this board to make a stand versus this liberal propaganda. IN fact, it is t.v. and the internet that has ruined many of the youth. I am 31 years old and never was influenced by t.v. I like to be on the streets and experience things first hand. Thats when i will make my opinions. I stand up for what I believe. I do not consider myself a racist, but rather a realist. I have black and spanish friends at work and know a few guys that are gay- get along fine with them. But do I think it is normal for 2 gay guys to express their affection in public-no. But some places will tolerate and other areas will take notice. As for interacial marriages, I do not feel it isn racist that I do not support these marriages. There are so many other people like me that feel the same way- most keep quiet out of fear of being called racist. I feel that it is a great accomplishment to have children in 2009 that are 100% of one ethnicity. That keeps their ethnicity alive in this melting pot of a country. Look, schools promote their liberal propaganda, educating youth about african american history- but they tend to forget to mention who really built these wonderful cities. It was the Irish, Italians, Germans, Polish,etc. who made these cities what they are today. My son spent this entire week in pre school learning about the great accomplishments of martin luther king. I asked what he knew about great Europeans accomplishments in this country- he said he was taught nothing on this subject. He also told me that he believed due to teachers lectures(remember he is 5) that white people were the bad ones and that mlk was a hero to all. Liberal propaganda in schools is what I call a plague. Interracial marriages water down our European heritage-thus making us less of an influence. That was the plan and its working.

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by promis1

Interracial marriages water down our European heritage-thus making us less of an influence. That was the plan and its working.

Damn, you found out about our insidious plan to subvert America by marrying white women! I thought I had the perfect disguise. I would study hard, go to medical school, become a productive member of society, help heal the sick, pay my share of taxes, raise my child to know right from wrong, and generally do my part to contribute to my community. Nobody would ever suspect that inside my heart I was plotting to destroy the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, habeas corpus, the scientific method, philosophy, mom, apple pie, and all the other fine traditions of Western culture.

Now that I've been exposed, its no use keeping up the facade. Might as well start the armed uprising. Comrade Obama, are you with me?