Conservative suburbs (Chicago, Hinsdale, Atlanta: dangerous, safest, moving to)

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

I've lived in Illinois before, I know a bit about the state.

Then you must have forgotten about Geneva, Wheaton, Wayne, Elburn, Hinsdale, etc, that are almost entirely conservative? Get out of Chicagoland and conservative towns are far more abundant.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

Then you must have forgotten about Geneva, Wheaton, Wayne, Elburn, Hinsdale, etc, that are almost entirely conservative? Get out of Chicagoland and conservative towns are far more abundant.

I was in Jefferson County, I avoided Chicago like the plague. I've been there before, but I regard it as fundamentally a crap slum town that should be abandoned by all good people and left to the elitist Constitution hating liberals and the gang-banging thugs.

[Mister Mappy]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

I was in Jefferson County, I avoided Chicago like the plague. I've been there before, but I regard it as fundamentally a crap slum town that should be abandoned by all good people and left to the elitist Constitution hating liberals and the gang-banging thugs.

Well, I just looked up where Jefferson County is. You were an hour east of St. Louis, nowhere NEAR Chicago. So, you've based your opinion on a few visits to Chicago when you lived in southern Illinois. Basically, it seems your opinion is based on stereotypes, and personal prejudice, which makes it hard to take seriously.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Mister Mappy

Well, I just looked up where Jefferson County is. You were an hour east of St. Louis, nowhere NEAR Chicago. So, you've based your opinion on a few visits to Chicago when you lived in southern Illinois. Basically, it seems your opinion is based on stereotypes, and personal prejudice, which makes it hard to take seriously.

When the hotel staff in Chicago recommended against being out at night, against walking around at night, against even taking a taxi (let alone a bus), at night, that says quite a lot, doesn't it? This was right on the waterfront in Chicago as well, near the boardwalk. Also consider that while in Chicago I was almost attacked/robbed by two people who could best be described as gang members. The only reason they didn't follow through with their attack was that I had a pistol and they probably were never expecting such to be the case.

[Mister Mappy]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

When the hotel staff in Chicago recommended against being out at night, against walking around at night, against even taking a taxi (let alone a bus), at night, that says quite a lot, doesn't it? This was right on the waterfront in Chicago as well, near the boardwalk. Also consider that while in Chicago I was almost attacked/robbed by two people who could best be described as gang members. The only reason they didn't follow through with their attack was that I had a pistol and they probably were never expecting such to be the case.

It's a big city, there is crime. The same thing could've happened in New York, L.A., San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis, Cleveland, or Cincinnati. I don't agree with your view of Chicago. You've written off the whole city because of one bad experience. If you don't want to live or come here, that's your right, but to tell people Chicago is only for "Constitution hating liberals, and gang-bangers", and to go live in Indiana, is stereotyping, and prejudicial. My building was broken into 5 years ago. Yeah, it sucked, but it didn't make me want to leave Chicago to go hide in the middle of nowhere.

Plus, have you been to some of the Indiana cities? Gary ain't exactly pretty.

Also, the conservative (if you really are that, I think you're more right-wing fringe) crap about "Constitution-hating" liberals is tiresome. Your boy Bush thought the Constitution was "just a piece of paper".

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Mister Mappy

It's a big city, there is crime. The same thing could've happened in New York, L.A., San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis, Cleveland, or Cincinnati. I don't agree with your view of Chicago. You've written off the whole city because of one bad experience. If you don't want to live or come here, that's your right, but to tell people Chicago is only for "Constitution hating liberals, and gang-bangers", and to go live in Indiana, is stereotyping, and prejudicial. My building was broken into 5 years ago. Yeah, it sucked, but it didn't make me want to leave Chicago to go hide in the middle of nowhere.

Plus, have you been to some of the Indiana cities? Gary ain't exactly pretty.

Also, the conservative (if you really are that, I think you're more right-wing fringe) crap about "Constitution-hating" liberals is tiresome. Your boy Bush thought the Constitution was "just a piece of paper".

My boy? I never voted for Bush, so who are you to call him "my boy" eh?

As for Chicago, how about writing it off because it typically averages 3-4 murders per day, for a total of no less than 1,000 per year, in a good year!

As for the cities you went on to list, those are all crap shack slums as well. Why would I want anything to do with the cities you listed? Stuck up elitist residents who think their local governments, which are corrupt to the core and often only selectively enforce state laws, are the end-all be-all of the world. Cleveland had to be SUED before it began following state law and issuing concealed carry permits...

The police force of New Orleans was arrested, en masse, virtually the entire fore, back in the early 1990s, with the FBI having to assume policing duties for about two years, as officer after officer was indicted for murder, rape, robbery, drug trafficking, etc. These cities present themselves as the ultimate achievement in human civilization and culture, but they're not.

How about Chicago where dozens of judges and prosecutors were found to be in the pocket of the local mafia outfits?

[Mister Mappy]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

My boy? I never voted for Bush, so who are you to call him "my boy" eh?

As for Chicago, how about writing it off because it typically averages 3-4 murders per day, for a total of no less than 1,000 per year, in a good year!

He was supposedly a "conservative" like you purport to be. Strange how many "conservatives" say they never voted for Bush. Some of them had to. Also, why is is only "conservatives" love the constitution?

Would you like it if I went over to the Ohio forum, and said Cleveland is a big slum, or Cincinnati is an overgrown redneck city, you should all live in Pennsylvania or Kentucky? I don't see why you'd want to be over here since you've written off Chicago.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Mister Mappy

He was supposedly a "conservative" like you purport to be. Strange how many "conservatives" say they never voted for Bush. Some of them had to. Also, why is is only "conservatives" love the constitution?

Would you like it if I went over to the Ohio forum, and said Cleveland is a big slum, or Cincinnati is an overgrown redneck city, you should all live in Pennsylvania? I don't see why you'd want to be over here since you've written off Chicago.

If you want to open a thread in the Ohio forum bashing Cleveland and Cincinnati, please link me to the thread once it is up, I'll join you, and bring some interesting stories along with me.

Bush was (is) a globalist elitist who works for a neo-con Trotskyist agenda. The entire Neo-con movement was founded by "former" Trotskyists who bailed on the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. Anybody who knows the history of the Neo-Conservative movement and ideology knows that it came from the minds of Marxist "intellectuals" and that the first adherents to this ideology were globalist marxists who wanted massive government. I didn't vote for George W. Bush because I regarded him as a lying piece of Marxist/globalist/war-mongering trash.

Reagan shouts, "government is not the solution, government is the problem" and then goes on to darn near triple the size of the government... Maybe I'm missing something, but there's nothing conservative about what those so-called conservatives did. The last time we had a genuinely conservative president was probably Gerald Ford, definitely Nixon, but probably Ford makes the grade as well. Nixon was far from perfect, but at least he tried to honor his obligations.

The OP asked about a nice conservative suburb of Chicago, I contend such a thing does not exist and that he would be better served by living in Indiana. His main stipulation was that whever he live be within 45 minutes of Chicago, places in Indiana fit this requirement.

I don't need to flee Ohio for Pennsylvania because my state government doesn't take it upon itself to declare war on my Constitutional freedoms.

[oakparkdude]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

If you want to open a thread in the Ohio forum bashing Cleveland and Cincinnati, please link me to the thread once it is up, I'll join you, and bring some interesting stories along with me.

Bush was (is) a globalist elitist who works for a neo-con Trotskyist agenda. The entire Neo-con movement was founded by "former" Trotskyists who bailed on the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. Anybody who knows the history of the Neo-Conservative movement and ideology knows that it came from the minds of Marxist "intellectuals" and that the first adherents to this ideology were globalist marxists who wanted massive government. I didn't vote for George W. Bush because I regarded him as a lying piece of Marxist/globalist/war-mongering trash.

Reagan shouts, "government is not the solution, government is the problem" and then goes on to darn near triple the size of the government... Maybe I'm missing something, but there's nothing conservative about what those so-called conservatives did. The last time we had a genuinely conservative president was probably Gerald Ford, definitely Nixon, but probably Ford makes the grade as well. Nixon was far from perfect, but at least he tried to honor his obligations.

The OP asked about a nice conservative suburb of Chicago, I contend such a thing does not exist and that he would be better served by living in Indiana. His main stipulation was that whever he live be within 45 minutes of Chicago, places in Indiana fit this requirement.

I don't need to flee Ohio for Pennsylvania because my state government doesn't take it upon itself to declare war on my Constitutional freedoms.

Nixon and Ford were hardly conservative by your standards. By your standards, few if any places in America would qualify as a "nice conservative suburb." Maybe some places in the deep south?

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by sukwoo

Nixon and Ford were hardly conservative by your standards. By your standards, few if any places in America would qualify as a "nice conservative suburb." Maybe some places in the deep south?

There are nice places in the Midwest, Appalachia, and the Pacific Northwest that qualify as conservative/constitutionalist.

There are too many moral crusaders and interventionists in the Deep South for my liking.

However, your instant reference of the Deep South, shows you clearly have a lot of biases.


As far as Nixon and Ford go, they were decent presidents, much better than Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2. I suppose in some, SOME, regards, I'd add Carter in as being a fairly decent president, he had a solid degree of integrity, but he really didn't do anything to help stop communism in southern and central Africa. For that matter, Ford really dropped the ball when he bailed on the Portuguese in Angola. Most presidents are a mixed bag, some are decent, some are better than others, and some are downright dirty scum. I regard the last four presidents as downright dirty scum. Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2, vile pieces of trash.