What do you think the next suburb to experience white flight will be? (buying, income)

[promis1]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuest

Forget neighborhood, I'll give you a huge county, Einstein. Queens
Blacks there have a higher median income than whites there.
And it's in New York City. Can you believe it.

Isnt it funny how some bumbling idiot can make such an unbelievable allegation and back it up with nothing.

[Avengerfire]

"Residents of Queens often closely identify with their neighborhood rather than with the borough or city as a whole. Unlike the situation in other boroughs, postal addresses are usually written with the neighborhood, state, and then zip code rather than the borough or city. The borough is a patchwork of dozens of unique neighborhoods, each with its own distinct identity:

* Howard Beach, Ozone Park, and Middle Village, are home to large Italian American populations.
* Rockaway Beach and Woodside have large Irish American populations. Woodside also has a large Hispanic and Asian American population.
* Astoria, in the northwest, is traditionally home to one of the largest Greek populations outside of Greece, and is also home to a growing population of Arabs as well as young professionals from Manhattan. Nearby Long Island City is a major commercial center and the home of the Queensbridge housing project.
* Maspeth and Ridgewood are home to many European immigrants, including large Romanian, Polish, and other Slavic populations. Ridgewood also has a large Hispanic population.
* Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and Corona make up an enormous conglomeration of Hispanic, Asian American and South Asian communities.
* Flushing, one of the largest neighborhoods in Queens has a large Asian community. The community consists of Koreans, Chinese as well as Hispanics, Italians and Greeks.
* Richmond Hill, in the south, is often thought of as "Little Guyana" for its large Indo-Caribbean community.[53] It also has the largest population of Sikhs from the Indian state of Punjab.
* Rego Park, Forest Hills, and Kew Gardens have traditionally large Jewish populations (many of these communities are Jewish immigrants from Israel, Iran and the former Soviet Union). Also known for large and growing Indian and Hispanic/Latino communities, mainly immigrants from India and South America.
* Jamaica Estates, Fresh Meadows, and Hollis Hills are also populated with many people of Jewish background. Many Asian families reside in parts of Fresh Meadows as well.
* Jamaica is home to large African American and Caribbean populations. There are also middle-class African American and Caribbean neighborhoods such as Hollis, Saint Albans, Cambria Heights, Springfield Gardens, Rosedale, Laurelton and Briarwood along east and southeast Queens.
* Bellerose and Floral Park are home to a large South-Asian population, predominantly Indian-Americans from the north-Indian state of Punjab and the south-Indian state of Kerala. There are some less diverse, but still prosperous part of Queens, such as South Jamaica."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens

[Avengerfire]

"In Queens, the median income among black households, nearing $52,000 a year, has surpassed that of whites in 2005, an analysis of new census data shows. NO OTHER COUNTY IN THE COUNTRY with a population OVER 65,000 can make that claim. The gains among blacks in Queens, the city’s quintessential middle-class borough, were driven largely by the growth of two-parent families and the successes of IMMIGRANTS FROM THE WEST INDIES."

“Southeast Queens, especially, had a heavy influx of West Indian folks in the late 80’s and early 90’s,” said Mr. Veron, who, like his 31-year-old wife, was born on the island of Jamaica. “Those individuals came here to pursue an opportunity, and part of that opportunity was an education,” he said. “A large percentage are college graduates. We’re now maturing and reaching the peak of our earning capacity.”

"The only other places where black household income is higher than among whites are much smaller than Queens, like Mount Vernon in Westchester, Pembroke Pines, Fla.; Brockton, Mass.; and Rialto, Calif. Most of the others also have relatively few blacks or are poor."

"Even as blacks have surged ahead of whites in Queens, over all they have fallen behind in Manhattan. With the middle class there shrinking, those remaining are largely either the wealthy, who are predominantly white, or the poor, who are mostly black and Hispanic, the new census data shows."

"Median income among blacks in Manhattan was $28,116, compared with $86,494 among whites, the widest gap of any large county in the country."

"Mr. Vernon, the lawyer from Jamaica, said: “It’s just that the people who left the Caribbean to come here are self-starters. It only stands to reason they would be more aggressive in pursuing their goals. And that creates a separation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/ny...nsus.html?_r=1

2006 (off of 2005 stats)

The question is: it this still the case?

And SO WHAT if it is?

I have no problem if it is still the case.

BIG WHOOPING DEAL. ONE COUNTY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WITH A POPULATION OVER 65,000!!!

You must be really proud.

Many of these people are not natural born and raised (U.S.) American Blacks-they are immigrants from the West Indies.

Guess what UrbanQuest? You lose.

You actually made your case a complete failure.

Now I know why you would not post the proof.

Bro.

Btw-I have great respect for many of the "black" immigrants to the United States. Most of them are decent hard working people. It is a shame many of the U.S. born blacks are quite the opposite.

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Btw-I have great respect for many of the "black" immigrants to the United States. Most of them are decent hard working people. It is a shame many of the U.S. born blacks are quite the opposite.

Can you post stats to back up these statements (minus your usual kneejerk, emotional, insulting ranting, I mean)? "Many"? Really?

[GoCUBS1]

Originally Posted by promis1

Please show me stats that can prove any neighborhood in this country has improved when an influx of Blacks entered. Good luck.

I have previously posted about how Black African and Black Carib immigrants historically perform better (education, unemployment, etc.) than Hispanic and Black Americans. http://www.city-data.com/forum/chica...ml#post7121119

Here's my ? - Let's say, hypothetically, there is an influx of educated, professional Black immigrants (e.g. engineers from Kenya, or Morocco, or Antigua, wherever) who start immigrating to your small, predominately white town. They start buying houses on your block, they shop at your stores, you start seeing their kids in the school system. Would you then start thinking about moving out of the town (white flight) or would these blacks be "acceptable" to you? How would you know these are educated blacks vs. blacks that would "bring down" your town? By the way they dress, talk? Would you make an effort to meet these new black families in your neighborhood before taking "white flight"? What if well-educated Black-American families start moving to your town? I am just curious about your opinion on this... Please no attacks...

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

Can you post stats to back up these statements (minus your usual kneejerk, emotional, insulting ranting, I mean)? "Many"? Really?

"America’s poverty rate in 2007 was 12.5 percent, practically unchanged from the 2006 rate of 12.3 percent. The 37.3 million people living in poverty in 2007 is up slightly from 36.5 million in 2006. Poverty rates for whites, blacks and Asians were also flat, with whites at 8.2 percent, blacks at 24.5 percent and Asians at 10.2 percent. Hispanics experienced a slight rise in poverty, from 20.6 percent in 2006 to 21.5 percent in 2007."

U.S. median household income increases modestly, census figures show - Chicago Tribune

"Black median household income in Chicago in 1999 was $6000 less than that basic small family budget. "

Black Agenda Report, Issue #2, Nov. 1, 2006

"Annual household incomes for blacks trail those for whites by more than $20,000. And families with children face particular challenges—more than a third live below or near the poverty line, and more than one in five Chicago children live in a family with no adult workers."

Chicago in Focus: A Profile from Census 2000 - Brookings Institution

"Median household income for blacks was just $29,000 in 2000, versus $37,000 for Hispanics and $49,000 for whites. Chicago has the sixth highest black poverty rate among the 23 Living Cities. The ranks of the "working poor"—families with incomes below 150 percent of poverty—are significant. Behind these economic differences lies a racial education gap; only 13 percent of black adults in Chicago hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 42 percent of whites."

Chicago in Focus: A Profile from Census 2000 - Brookings Institution

"Close to 40 percent of poor blacks in the area are under age 16, a statistic relatively well known to researchers."

http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/pol...white_peop.php

"The 1990 census spells out the now-familiar litany of social ills affecting black Chicagoans: black men made up 57 percent of all unemployed males in Chicago; African Americans accounted for 60 percent of the population living below poverty; two-thirds of black teens lived in single parent homes."

http://www.chicagoreporter.com/index...oung_Black_Men

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""I'm not going to be like my mom," Keyana declared as she shooed away a little brother. "I'm only going to have two, maybe three kids."

Both Keyana and her mom, Samona Jones, were pregnant before high school. Samona was 13; Keyana, 14.

Samona dropped out of eighth grade, never married and had more babies.

Keyana adores her mom but dreams of a different life. She wants to travel. Move to a bigger city. Maybe become a lawyer.

She can't do that with a house full of kids.

"Who's got my brush?" Samona yells.

Today mom and daughter are both getting ready.

Keyana is taking daughter Lauren for her 18-month well checkup.

Samona also is seeing a doctor. She's 31 and soon to deliver her 12th child."


http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pag...u_sid=10296434

[skyeINIL]

How many of the black people in those stats are "hard-working" and "decent"? How many of them are law-abiding? That is the part of your statements that I took issue with. No one can deny that blacks as a whole in this country are behind everyone else with regards to education and earning power. However, to imply that poor black people are lazy and not decent is a bit much.

[promis1]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

"America’s poverty rate in 2007 was 12.5 percent, practically unchanged from the 2006 rate of 12.3 percent. The 37.3 million people living in poverty in 2007 is up slightly from 36.5 million in 2006. Poverty rates for whites, blacks and Asians were also flat, with whites at 8.2 percent, blacks at 24.5 percent and Asians at 10.2 percent. Hispanics experienced a slight rise in poverty, from 20.6 percent in 2006 to 21.5 percent in 2007."

U.S. median household income increases modestly, census figures show - Chicago Tribune

"Black median household income in Chicago in 1999 was $6000 less than that basic small family budget. "

Black Agenda Report, Issue #2, Nov. 1, 2006

"Annual household incomes for blacks trail those for whites by more than $20,000. And families with children face particular challenges—more than a third live below or near the poverty line, and more than one in five Chicago children live in a family with no adult workers."

Chicago in Focus: A Profile from Census 2000 - Brookings Institution

"Median household income for blacks was just $29,000 in 2000, versus $37,000 for Hispanics and $49,000 for whites. Chicago has the sixth highest black poverty rate among the 23 Living Cities. The ranks of the "working poor"—families with incomes below 150 percent of poverty—are significant. Behind these economic differences lies a racial education gap; only 13 percent of black adults in Chicago hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 42 percent of whites."

Chicago in Focus: A Profile from Census 2000 - Brookings Institution

"Close to 40 percent of poor blacks in the area are under age 16, a statistic relatively well known to researchers."

The Beachwood Reporter

Wow, these stats(truths) are amazing! What will the mumbling liberal say now?

[promis1]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

How many of the black people in those stats are "hard-working" and "decent"? How many of them are law-abiding? That is the part of your statements that I took issue with. No one can deny that blacks as a whole in this country are behind everyone else with regards to education and earning power. However, to imply that poor black people are lazy and not decent is a bit much.

Is it a bit much to imply that one is lazy who receives Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing, Welfare, and has no intentions to find a job- because that would mess up all of their government freebies. Being a minority in 2009, gives them an edge to find a job easier than a white with the help of affirmative action, diversity fairs, and college grants just based on their skin color- not their skills. Is this fair? Does this breed laziness when these people with greater advantages do not take advantage of the opportunity at all- and sit on their *ss collecting freebies and complaining about how they have nothing. 2009 should be about accountability- no more excuses.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

How many of the black people in those stats are "hard-working" and "decent"? How many of them are law-abiding? That is the part of your statements that I took issue with...

"The Reporter's three-year murder study indicates that young black males living in some sections of the Near West and Near South Side are 30 times more likely to be murdered than young white males living in white areas."

"In the Wentworth District on the Near South Side, 104 of an estimated 11,200 black males ages 14 to 29 were slain since 1987. Homicide was the cause of death for 90 of the nearly 13,400 young black males living in the Harrison District on the West Side. And in the Englewood District on the South Side, 85 of nearly 16,000 young black males were murdered over the last three years."

The Chicago Reporter Chicago's Murder Rates in Black and White


(2005) Crime in Chicago
"76% of victims were African American (77.4% of offenders were), 18.3% were Hispanic (17.3% of offenders), and 5.6% were white (5.3% of offenders). The African American murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate being 11 per 100,000; and the white rate being 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history."

"A disproportionately high amount of robbery related murders involved African American offenders murdering Hispanics and whites. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were White, and only 4.3% of armed robber murder offenders were White."


"Victims of gang related murders: 70% African American, 26% Hispanic, 3% white, 93% male. Offenders in gang related murders: 69% African American, 27% Hispanic, 3% white, 99% male. Victims of domestic related murders: 79% African American, 10% Hispanic, 11% white. Victims of armed robbery related murders: 68% African American, 13% Hispanic, 19% white, 89% male. Offenders in armed robbery related murders: 87% African American, 9% Hispanic, 4% white, 93% male."

Crime in Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"At the 2007 U.S. Census estimates, Chicago's population was:

* 38.9% White (30.9% non-Hispanic-White)
* 35.6% Black or African American
* 0.5% American Indian and Alaska Native
* 5.3% Asian
* 0.1% Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander
* 21.3% some other race
* 1.6% two or more races
* 28.1% Hispanic or Latino (of any race) [4]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago