Turnaround for South Chicagoland (crime, house, neighborhoods)

[deechee]

Originally Posted by prairiestate

The problem, of course, is that you will have a whole lot of people screaming racism. A smaller number will be screaming that you hate the poor for a bill like the section 8 one. The reality, of course, is that large concentrations of poverty aren't good for anyone. That's why the highrise housing projects were torn down in the first place!

I wish people would understand that! I hate how people claim classicism or racism when someone tries to explain that large numbers of section 8ers cannot live in the same area. It has been proven over and over again that they deteriorate every area they live in.

It doesn't make any economic sense for them to live in Country Club Hills because this is not somewhere to be if you don't have money. I would never live here without having an income because that means I can't take care of my place of residence properly. NO INCOME = NO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE

I have nothing against the whole purpose of section 8, and I have no problem with people being on it, however, at least in IL there should not be the ability to live off section 8 your entire life!!!

[deechee]

Originally Posted by LIS123

I agree with this post and also do not see this area rebounding anytime soon. Besides more desirable areas elsewhere in Illinois, Northwest Indiana...

What about people like myself who would like to work as teachers? I cannot move to Indiana and still teach in Chicagoland...at least not a public school. I do believe the area can rebound if we could find a way to attract diverse buyers here.

Originally Posted by Opkl

I hope it's approved. Here in Lynwood we have the no sagging pants law. Hell, that alone would stop 50% of the ghetto section 8'ers. Then there's a curb appeal ordinance which means if you let your property look run-down, (yard full of weeds, tall grass, etc.) you get a $25 fine until you correct the problem. That would stop 25%. Then with Lynwood being close to Ford Heights/Chicago Heights (which doesn't have all these rules and has more section 8 for them to be around) would take 15%. The 10% left are usually pretty decent so they can stay. My neighbor is section 8 and she is as nice as she can be.

I am so glad they have -something- in place. I hope something changes. I would hate to see a place where I have so many memories just dissolve.

[supportyourschools]

Why can't you live in Indiana and teach in Chicagoland? I know many teachers who teach in Lansing and live in NWI. Chicago Public Schools has a residency rule, but as far as I know none of the suburbs do.

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by Opkl

I hope it's approved. Here in Lynwood we have the no sagging pants law. Hell, that alone would stop 50% of the ghetto section 8'ers. Then there's a curb appeal ordinance which means if you let your property look run-down, (yard full of weeds, tall grass, etc.) you get a $25 fine until you correct the problem. That would stop 25%. Then with Lynwood being close to Ford Heights/Chicago Heights (which doesn't have all these rules and has more section 8 for them to be around) would take 15%. The 10% left are usually pretty decent so they can stay. My neighbor is section 8 and she is as nice as she can be.

Lynwood is setting a good example. Lynwood is starting on it early, unfortunately my town( Harvey) is like 20 years late.

[deechee]

Originally Posted by supportyourschools

Why can't you live in Indiana and teach in Chicagoland? I know many teachers who teach in Lansing and live in NWI. Chicago Public Schools has a residency rule, but as far as I know none of the suburbs do.

Would you want someone teaching your child who sees it's fit to collect a paycheck from your tax money but not to live in the community? Not shopping, living, or caring about the area? I definitely would not want someone from Indiana working at any school I attend, unless of course I live in Indiana.

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

Lynwood is setting a good example. Lynwood is starting on it early, unfortunately my town( Harvey) is like 20 years late.

I see that you have a glimpse of hope in your statements, while everyone else seems to just slam the south suburbs as if we live in tenements in old New York City. I am just shocked at the lengths people will go to keep from living amongst certain types of people.

You can run, but you can't hide -- forever.

[Chuckity]

Originally Posted by deechee

Would you want someone teaching your child who sees it's fit to collect a paycheck from your tax money but not to live in the community? Not shopping, living, or caring about the area? I definitely would not want someone from Indiana working at any school I attend, unless of course I live in Indiana.

In all honesty, if you want good teachers for CCH, they have to NOT have a residency requirement.

You've seen just from this message board that CCH doesn't have the best reputation - how in the world can you expect the best teachers to want to live in a town that doesn't have the best reputation?

The key to improving your community is improving the schools - and it doesn't start with the teachers. It starts with the parents. If the schools have a lot of parental involvement, schools will improve, better teachers will want in - and then the community as a whole can heal and attract better business, increase in property values, blah blah blah.

[ajolotl]

I agree, but think it goes a level deeper. In a mixed community of good guys and bad guys, the good parents can't do much to improve the school so long as there is a pervasive mentality of blame, lack of accountability, and an apologetic attitude towards failure in our society as a whole. The parents need some tools to deal with the miscreants. It's an uphill battle. I'm sure the police face the same thing to a large extent.

Originally Posted by Chuckity

In all honesty, if you want good teachers for CCH, they have to NOT have a residency requirement.

You've seen just from this message board that CCH doesn't have the best reputation - how in the world can you expect the best teachers to want to live in a town that doesn't have the best reputation?

The key to improving your community is improving the schools - and it doesn't start with the teachers. It starts with the parents. If the schools have a lot of parental involvement, schools will improve, better teachers will want in - and then the community as a whole can heal and attract better business, increase in property values, blah blah blah.

[NYrules]

Originally Posted by deechee

Would any of you move to Country Club Hills as it is right now?

Be honest.

Healllz naw.

[MaryB65]

Originally Posted by deechee

Would any of you move to Country Club Hills as it is right now?

Be honest.

Heck no. It's going downhill so fast I can't believe it. I lived there 30 years ago and it was a nice place to live. So sad.

[deechee]

*Sigh* Guess I better start the search for a new home. I wonder where I'd be welcome?