Hazel crest, IL. (Chicago, Cicero, Tinley Park: rental, condos, sex offenders)

[PaulWoo]

East Hazel Crest is the nicer part of Hazel Crest. If the Area in East Hazel Crest suits your family, contact me regarding my House for sale or lease option! I am neither a Broker nor Agent!

[MrsBradley]

I KNOW CCH like I SAID. IF and I mean IF your neighbors are white then you are on the west side of town. I'm not sure what white people mean to my or your argument. So because A FEW whites are there it makes it safe? Worthy to invest in? Hmm...sounds kinda hypocritical. Defend your town all you want but please. what do white people still living there mean to anything? SECONDLY if realtor.com shows 15 houses for 30k do you NOT think the blocks and blocks of housses in that area go for 30K WHEN FOR SALE. Or that they are valued at or about that much. But if they are in smilar condition,size and on the same block with other 30K houses for sale are these occupied houses houses somehow worth quadruple just becaue they are occupied. Of course not THAT IS THE VALUE of homes in that particular area. ? I am speaking of houses in that area and the value. The realtor.com post was to butreess my claim. So what if there are only 10 for sale noww. There are MANY MANY MANY more that have that SAME value and will EVENTUALLY have to be sold. THAT MEANS THERE ARE A LOT of 30K houses in that area. I don't care of it's only ten available for sale now. That is the cost of the homes in that area. Do you really think that the homes next door to the 30K homes are magically worth 100K because they aren't featured on realtor.com? No that is the value of the houses in that part of Hazel Crest. I gave examples of ones for sale in that area. There iss no exaggeration in what I said. IF I said there are a thousand VACANT homes for 30k then you got me. WHAT I SAID WAS THE HOMES START AT 30K. And that there were a lot of them. I don't mean on realtor.com I mean in that area. Meaning a 30K home is not a forclosure or flood dammaged or a rarity. Its the value in that area as that little section is not small. That means there are a LOT OF HOMES starting at 30K.

As for you growing up in Roseland Dechee what does one thing have to do with another? That means I've probably lived in CCH longer than you have. That also means I watched the area change. You mentioned thugs, I didn't. So have at it. Not even going there with you. If there are some whites as you so proudly claim near you you're most likely on the west side of town or in OLD CCH. Again, not sure what that matters, but to you it really seems to so let's give it it's proper acknowledgement. There are plenty of reasons NOT to buy in CCH and Hazel Crest. To start with the schools are awful. CCH is going to be hit with a 44% property tax increase if it already hasn't. Even in a recession. Why an almost 50% tax hike with all your "new buisinesses" where you do "most of your shopping." So I wouldnt invest there because personally I can't afford a %44 tax hike. When was the last time a new school was built in CCH? Been a while I can tell you. So why the 44% tax hike? The schools make your house. People don't buy homes in areas with crappy schools. A few do, but with crappy schools you dimish your potential buyers most likely by about 80%. Even people without kids consider schools because SCHOOLS make the hood. Thats what determines your resallability. and NOW you can shop in CCH, but until that Wal Mart opened that large burb didn't have a grocery store. or anything, nothing but mom and pops, greasy spoons and the like. You had to go to HOMEWOOD because that MOO and OINK store sat vacant for a number of years before it became Shop and Save and later Moo and Oink. SO you had to go to Homewood or Matterson to get anything besides fried fish, ribs or liquor. So in 35+ years CCH got ONE major store and a bunch of smaller stores that seem to have trouble staying there. The beauty supply store will do well. But what about the other so called major stores? T MOBILE and Footlocker are not my idea of major stores. The MAJOR store is WAL MART. Thats not economic progress. Thats not growth for the city. Don't hold your breathe for that Outlet Mall either. Wal Mart was supposed to come in 1990. Not long after or before the one in Matteson opened. It came in 2006. Lol. 15-16 years after it was promised and written in the City Newsletter. Why do you think CCH is so late in getting in on the Mc Mansion band wagon? Cause the city watched all the money drive right past them into Matteson. Straight down Cicero into Matteson. After watching EVERYTHING from shopping, dining and home buyers by pass them for Matteson the they got smart. Threw up some MC Mansions along Cicero. Did you know that South Suburban Hospital in HAZEL CREST was supposed to be in CCH? Did you know that the people of CCH decided not to have REAL business in their city for the longest time INTENTIONALLY. THEN had to beg plead and sign away a thousand years worth of tax revenue just to lure the few businesses they have?? The movie theatre was supposed to be there in the late eighties. It came in 1996 or 1995. Lol. So theres your economic progress. 15 to 20 years per development. With four and five decades with ZERO economic growth. THATS why I wouldnt by there. LIKE I SAID. If you like CCH stay there. and God Bless.

[MrsBradley]

In re reading your post I would love to hear your strategy for doing your shopping in CCH. Where do you buy furniture? Lol. Where do you buy anything not carried by WALMART and FOOTLOCKER and that other random shoe store? Clothing for a formal event? If you neede to buy in bulk where would you go? What about buying a new car? Does Wal Mart carry those as well? Do you go up in Heritage Plaza for that? How bout up on Floossmoor Road in that strip mall? What about when you want to rent a movie? When you need home remodeling stuff? Just like the statement about you doing "most of your shopping" in CCH is a bit of a stretch so is the idea of sport car driving white folks socializing in the yard. There are some white folks in CCH, but not enough to make that declaration. Oh and your list of dying businesses. Which I never said by the way but I accept your challenge. Angelica's bakery WAS in CCH, moved to two different locations before it left altogether. The TWO White Hen pantries that left town a looooong time ago before White Hen went under completely. Those becamse mom and pop mini convenience mart type thijngs that sell both single pampers and single cigarettes. Hmm, then there was he Taco Bell that left YEARS ago. The Eagle grocery store store that left YEARS ago, years before EAGLE went out of business. The Blockbuster video that left. The Bowling Alley that left. The TWO florists that left town. ONe along 183rd east of pulaski and one along flossmoor road. The Ski store that was along Cicero road right before Flossmoor road. They sold ski's and other winter hobby equipment. The other major grocery store that left town stayed vacant for YEARS before that dog food place took over at 175th and Cicero. The Starbucks on 167th and Pulaski. The Radio Shack on 167th and Pulaski the Fashion Bug on 167th and Pulaski. All gone within months of opening. Hmmm...What else do you need. BUt CCH has TWO SHARKS CHICKEN AND FISH, THREE SUBWAYS including the one in WAL MART, and TWO CITGO GAS STATIONS, both on 183rd one on pulaski and one on Cicero. That makes a total of 4 gas stations. Phillips 66. Mobil and 2 Citgos. There are about 5 beauty supply stores, about 5 or 6 hair salons and barber shops. Three nail salons. An "urban" clothing store in Heritage Plaza and a few Insurance agencies. Add in a few cell phone stores, one health food store and a liquor store. Thats about the gist of your "shopping" in CCH. There is not even a Walgreens in CCH. The one on 183rd and Pulaski is in Hazel Crest So pre Wal Mart your options were pretty bleak. Post Wal Mart they arent that much better.

[deechee]

Before I make my reply, I'd just like you to know that the original topic is about HAZEL CREST. Invest elsewhere. Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields are great places, still safe and have everything that this person who is attacking says CCH doesn't have.

[deechee]

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I'll say this once. I said, "21 years and not a problem here." I also said, "I do MOST of my shopping here." I can shop in Olympia Fields for gas, Matteson for shopping, and Tinley Park for groceries (before that I shopped at Walt's or Eagle) . I do not live in the so-called old part. I, along with the other 16k who live in this town are very happy here, and obviously it doesn't bother them to live here and pay their taxes.

If you knew how much my taxes were, maybe you wouldn't cry about a 44 percent increase. Okay, so now I'll pay what, 1 thousand dollars? WOW! I can't believe you think someone couldn't pay that in taxes. I hope you don't live in Lockport, Mokena, Orland Park, or Tinley. There are homes there that cost as little as 30k, and their taxes are OUTRAGEOUS. You must be earning minimum wage if you cannot pay 1k in taxes. Yes, my neighbors and I DO drive sports cars and luxury vehicles. What is a Corvette? What is a Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes? Are those not luxury vehicles and sports cars?

What's so bad about CCH schools? Are any of them not meeting national standards? Are there shootings every week? Students going missing? Teachers not showing up to work? I actually look forward to teaching out here because I'll have a nice, grateful, content base of students who come from middle to upper income families.

I don't believe you have really looked at the stats about crime in CCH. Almost none. Hmmm. About the stores, who has it hurt? Didn't you say you lived here? Where do you shop?

It's still safe to invest here.

[MrsBradley]

No I said I was born and raised there and adding that time means I LIVED there in TOTAL for longer than you have. And if 21 years is your residency number I have. As for your 1000 taxes get real. Seriously. Unless you're paying a rate stablizied just for you and your property in the early 60's you're paying much more than an additional 1000 in taxes. With or without a 44% tax increase. Your response is soooo emotional and not at all factual. It almost defies logic so this WILL be my last response. YOU JUMPED IN with your "I LIVE IN CCH" bit. YOU Jumped in with you're "I live here so..." My posts were about Hazel Crest with a slight mention of CCH. All your response shows is how uninformed you are about where you live. I don't have to KNOW the EXACT percentagewise crime stats cause I DONT LIVE THERE. I have no property there whose value I need to protect. My kids aren't in the schools. So I have no need for a crime by crime breakdown of whats going on there. I informed myself enough to know that I didn't want to invest in a home there. Maybe YOU should invest in researching YOUR community so that you can have a fact based discussion and not just throw up emotion based non facts and random utterances about your community (" I do MOST of my shopping here.") oh and my personal fave the mention of white people as though their presence validates anything. I don't care if you lived in the creek behind the Wal Mart in Country Club Hills, I made the point about you probably living in Old CCH to show that I know the area WELL and that is where the few remaining whites live. And I must stress FEW, very FEW remaining whites live.


Nice try with the so called insults about minimum wage and all that. Again showing you're speaking from an emotional point that is nowhere near based in logic. . You lashed out. Another place I won't go with you.

Mokena real estate & Mokena homes for sale | Single family homes - REALTOR.com® Where are the 30K houses? There is one in forclosure for about 105k. From there they rapidly rise to 200k and well above up to and into the million dollar range. Again, no logic. Your comparison of Tinley Park to Mokena also defies logic. Thats like comparing apples and honda's. For starters they are in two different counties, Tinley being in Cook County, Mokena being in Will county. The taxes on my house are about 9k a year. High, who knows? Depends on what you expect for your money. The schools are better. There is actually a library. The city services are pretty good. Parks are clean, modern and have a lot of amenities and variety of programs and activities. No gaping pot holes or decaying roads. (Pulaski Road at about 170th in CCH is falling apart.) Am I in a much better school district. Absoultely. I perfer not to go back and forth with the my neighborhood is better than your neighborhood nonsense because it's petty but you brought it up. So...

Now lets talk about crime. CCH had 5 murders in about a 5 week span. Yes some of it was family on family. However, two murders remain unsolved and one murder occured at the strip mall on 175th and pulaski. The young man was stabbed. There have been shootings at Hillcrest High School, namely at the sporting events but does it matter? Are bullets less deadly after school hours? There was just another shooting at a house party in CCH about 3 to 4 weeks ago. If there are murders there is also a significant amount of "petty crimes" that exist as well.

As for the questions about the stores. Its unbelivably simple. The city needs tax revenue. Some of that can come from stores. If you have no real stores. Only mom and pops establishments that come and go, greasy spoons and other small nonsense then you have a need for increased taxes on the citizens. Citizens pay increased taxes and get little in return. No improved infastructure, no improvement in schools. No imporvement in city services. CCH doesn't even have a library. It "shares" the one in Hazel Crest.

Country Club Hills owes residents answers on tax hike | Article from SouthtownStar (Chicago, IL) | HighBeam Research Tax increase story

2 facing charges in Country Club Hills murders - 2/10/09 - Chicago News - abc7chicago.com Your five murders. Two remaining unsolved with a total of three being non family related.

Shooting at Hillcrest High School Your Hillcrest high school shooting

abc7chicago.com: Man dies in south suburban shooting 7/09/07 Yet another shooting/murder

Country Club Hills police question man in attack. | Article from Chicago Tribune (Chicago, IL) | HighBeam Research Home Invasion


Police search for home invasion suspects - 7/16/08 - Chicago News - abc7chicago.com Yet another home invasion

Police question 2 men about home invasion: Country Club Hills resident is injured. - Chicago Tribune (Chicago, IL) | Encyclopedia.com Yet another home invasion.

I can do this all day. But as stated before. I'm done. Your arguments lack fact and are basically a bunch of far fetched "personal experiences." Your 1000 tax increase when the increase is 44%. Your hoardes of Sport and Luxury car driving white neighbors partying with you in the front yard. And of course the majority of shopping you do in Country Club Hills. BTW I shop in Mokena and I live in Mokena and I can be honest enough to say that I have to go to Orland for some things. I will not declare I do "most of my shopping" in Mokena. Cause it's impossible to do so and Mokena actually has a grocery store. Two even.

[deechee]

I have five positive things to say about Country Club Hills for every negative thing you have to say about it. Mokena is not welcoming to colored people. I would not feel welcome there. So, I choose to stay here around honest working and middle class people. Yes, my neighbors are white. I don't see why that's so unbelievable.

I would never want to live in Mokena for the simple fact that I would be three light years away from everything. I can just imagine my commute everyday. Don't try to tell me it's any different. As soon as I would try and move in, the whites would wonder how many more of me are coming.

As for me being emotional, that's rare. As a aide/future teacher, I know exactly how to keep emotional feelings to myself; it's crucial to keeping control and professionalism. Why would I get emotional with someone who obviously does not live here, doesn't believe my taxes are low, and posts negative things about such a nice place to be? On top of that, you don't know me and will not ever know me.

Why don't you try riding down a side street one day, and tell me where all this activity is taking place?

I'm gonna start a thread about this eventually, when I can get a chance b/w work.


TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER AND OTHERS, IT IS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO INVEST IN A HOME IN HAZEL CREST. That was the original question. The surrounding suburbs to it, with the exception of Markham, Posen, Harvey, and Dixmoor, are great to live in. It just so happens that the idiots from those towns come to Hazel Crest and mess around and cause trouble. Read the police blotter in the newspaper folks.

The list of safe and nice communities again: Country Club Hills, Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields, Oak Forest, Tinley Park and Orland Park. Tinley and Orland are larger, and some call them twins of themselves, but they are fine. A little congested, but they are great to live in and raise a child, as are the others towns/villages/cities I've listed.

[Abrazame]

I just looked at the school my children will be attending if we move to hazel crest. The school looks pretty nice, but looks can be deceiving I guess...

Mae Jemison

As far as murders go, I haven't heard about any of these.

[deechee]

Originally Posted by Abrazame

I just looked at the school my children will be attending if we move to hazel crest. The school looks pretty nice, but looks can be deceiving I guess...

Mae Jemison

As far as murders go, I haven't heard about any of these.

It depends on where your child lives in Hazel Crest. They (if living close to CCH) can go to Country Club Hills schools also...I'm not sure if a HC child can attend a Flossmoor school. I will investigate this.

A safe bet for you is still the towns I mentioned.

[Chicagoland60426]

Once again CCH is not all that bad, its a solid middle class suburb. And yes there are some white people there. You don't have to be black to live in a majority black area. Blacks move to majority white areas all the time risking being looked at as suspicious.