Red light Camera and No turn on Red (safer, moving)

[Sunsmile]

I've heard that the law is that you have to stop completely for 3 full seconds before making a turn on red. Those cameras have a timer and catch you if you stop for less then 3 seconds.

[Chummy Waters]

There is no "time" limit, just a full stop is required behind the line. .

From Illinois Rules of the Road...
Red light – Stop at the marked stop line. If there is not a marked stop line, stop before entering the crosswalk. If there is no crosswalk, stop before entering the intersection. Do not go until the light is green and the intersection is clear.

You may make a right turn at a red light. You also may make a left turn at a red light when turning from a one-way street onto another one-way street that has traffic moving to the left. In both instances, drivers must come to a complete stop and yield the right-of-way to oncoming traffic and pedestrians before turning


There are no stop signs in the north atlantic

[Drover]

[lawabidingperson]

Mannheim and Higgins might be a no turn on red intersection but the signs are hard to see, specifically headed north bound on Mannheim. I also got a ticket here for a right turn on red. I did some research and they used to have two "no turn on red signs" up at this intersection, one on the right and a smaller one on the left on the light pole. The village removed the larger one on the right after installing the cameras. Hmmmm wonder why they did that? To top it off you cannot see the smaller sign when pulled up to the white line. I took pictures of this and contested my ticket and won. Removing signage so people get more tickets? Certainly not for saftey. This is as close to entrapment as you can get.

[urza216]

@ Drover's image:

Yeah, on the internet, it's a battle of wits and words. Your physical strength (or lack there of) is useless here.

[chet everett]

@chummy

Oddly contributing some actual useful content, chummy nails it. If you sop far enough back, and do not roll / allow all momentum to cease, you are OK. The cameras actually use video so that "time limit" is not what the look for, just the real speed video showing "stopped wheels"...

[pvande55]

Your size and strength don't matter in fighting this issue either. You can challenge it in court (Unlikely) or contact your representative. And always look for the warning signs that it is photo enforced at any intersection. If the sign is missing can you challenge it? Don't know.

[chicagojlo]

Originally Posted by Sunsmile

I've heard that the law is that you have to stop completely for 3 full seconds before making a turn on red. Those cameras have a timer and catch you if you stop for less then 3 seconds.

You have to come to the complete stop before the white line. This is the mistake people make. I don't think I've ever seen one person stop where they are supposed to. Just get in the habit of doing it every time and you won't have a problem. You have to stop anyway so what impact does it have on your life to do it where you are supposed to instead?

[Drover]

Originally Posted by chicagojlo

You have to come to the complete stop before the white line. This is the mistake people make. I don't think I've ever seen one person stop where they are supposed to. Just get in the habit of doing it every time and you won't have a problem. You have to stop anyway so what impact does it have on your life to do it where you are supposed to instead?

The impact is that 98% of the time if you stop behind the white line you can't see the cross traffic you're trying to pull into. That's why everyone glides past it before stopping, so they can actually see where the hell they're going.

[chicagojlo]

The idea is to come to the complete stop then pull forward to look at the traffic. The line was placed where it was because it's the last safe point for you to stop at before heading into the oncoming traffic. It's precisely because you can't see what's coming that you're not supposed to be still moving as you head into it. People can't take an extra second to stop first then pull forward, which is why they get a ticket.