Red light Camera and No turn on Red (Rosemont: insurance, live)

[gearhead2003]

I got a "violation" from one of the redlight cameras on Mannhiem and Higgens E in Rosemont. However, it is of me turning. As far as I can tell, I thought turning on Red is allow in Illinois (I moved here recently, so I may be wrong).

There is a sign on about turning on red, but I think it said "No turn on Red when pedestrians are present". As far as I can tell from the picture, there are no pedestrians, but then again I am not sure since I don't live near Rosemont. It may be that I am remembering a different sign and may have missed the "No turn on Red sign".

Questions:
1. Does the camera trigger even if you are allow to turn on red?
2. Does more than one redlight violation trigger some sort of additional fines and insurance rate adjustment?

Thanks.

Paul

[JustJulia]

Did you stop before the intersection when the light turned red? Many people pull into the intersection to begin their turn and then stop.

[JustJulia]

Also, to answer your second question, I believe the camera-generated tickets do not go on your record and thus do not affect your insurance. They don't count as a moving violation, just an infraction bearing a fine. You might be able to contest it, depending on what signs were posted in that intersection.

[almost3am]

check this out, it may help:

Journal & Topics Newspapers Online (http://www.journal-topics.com/ro/09/ro090624.1.html - broken link)

[MSchemist80]

Don't feel too bad 80 to 90 percent of the tickets from these devices are from people turning right on red. It is not about safety. It is just another way for the local governments to extort people.

[irish setter girl]

My husband got a ticket for turning right on red. The tape showed he did stop but he stopped over the white line. He said he had to stop beyond the white line to see beyond the cars in the lanes next to him so he could turn right safely. The person he talked to on the phone said too bad...ticket was still valid.

[linicx]

The problem with the white line is that sometimes if you do not roll over it, the traffic light does not change.

[JustJulia]

Originally Posted by almost3am

check this out, it may help:

Journal & Topics Newspapers Online (http://www.journal-topics.com/ro/09/ro090624.1.html - broken link)

What's interesting in that article is the picture shows a scenario like the OP posted. There's a red light and a sign, but the sign says "No turn on red when pedestrians are present," and the caption says that corner is in Rosemont. The body of the article says, " 'No Turn On Red' signs are posted at every red light corner in Rosemont." I don't see such a sign in the photo.

If the sign says "No turn on red when pedestrians are present," then you should be able to turn when they are NOT present. "No turn on red," of course, means don't turn on red ever.

But how do you prove there weren't any pedestrians present? Would they show up in the photo? Is this a ploy to get people to pay the tickets, instead of appealing the ticket and getting it overturned? That would be one heck of a dirty move.

There are both kinds of signs around where I live, mostly the kind about pedestrians. I don't want to get a ticket for something I didn't do.

[almost3am]

Originally Posted by JustJulia

What's interesting in that article is the picture shows a scenario like the OP posted. There's a red light and a sign, but the sign says "No turn on red when pedestrians are present," and the caption says that corner is in Rosemont. The body of the article says, " 'No Turn On Red' signs are posted at every red light corner in Rosemont." I don't see such a sign in the photo.

If the sign says "No turn on red when pedestrians are present," then you should be able to turn when they are NOT present. "No turn on red," of course, means don't turn on red ever.

But how do you prove there weren't any pedestrians present? Would they show up in the photo? Is this a ploy to get people to pay the tickets, instead of appealing the ticket and getting it overturned? That would be one heck of a dirty move.

There are both kinds of signs around where I live, mostly the kind about pedestrians. I don't want to get a ticket for something I didn't do.

Yeah, you know, I have only been in IL for a couple of months and I still feel like I don't know what I am doing for right turns. I stop and look all over the place for a sign, sometimes I turn and am not sure if I missed something. I am not sure if this is a "safer" way, where drivers aren't sure what the rules of the road are anymore...my wife has this same paranoia, we were talking about it the other night.

[Drover]

My favorite is the No Turn On Red signs situated behind the white line such that if you don't notice it before you get to the line but then you look around for one after you've reached the line and can't see one (because it's behind you), and then get busted for running a red light.