Guys who wear hats in restaurants, during the National Anthem, etc. (beach, deal)

[OhAcid]

Originally Posted by Rewind4

If everyone was "OK" with doing anything they wanted to so long as they're happy and not hurting anyone, the sight of people with their "britches" off will also be considered "OK," too.

Yes, it would be because nobody is being hurt. What is your point? Is the concept of people getting along and not fighting over trivial issues comical?

Originally Posted by Rewind4

Hats are small in comparison to other major problems, but here's my take on it:
I'm 25, and I don't like seeing a bunch of bros with caps on at a restaurants in River North or someplace like that. Don't want people to see your hat hair? Don't wear your hat. What really irks me is men wearing hats in church, especially a Catholic Mass. Sorry bro, your Kangol cap is still a hat; don't disrespect your surroundings.

So dine somewhere else or don't look at them while you eat? I seriously do not understand this concept of someones attire being that much of a disruption to your daily activity. Don't want to see people wearing hats? Eat at home. What really irks me are people who complain about what other people wear to church, especially at church. Sorry bro, but you're not God and the point of a church is to come and be one with God, not be judged on what type of car you drove to church or what you're wearing to church. Forgetting the entire point of community and unity in church is far more disrespectful to both yourself and the belief system of whatever church you belong to than wearing a hat is. Even in a place that is supposed to be about love and understanding judgement from one man to the other runs rampant as fire.

[billybones]

Reading this thread really go me thinking about how some people put too much importance on things that don't matter in the big picture. It is a bit off the point of the OP but you'll get the message.

Back in the 90's I had a small computer consulting business. Most people in that line of work followed the old dress code of shirts and ties. I went completely the opposite direction. Shaved head, 2 foot long braided goatee, piercings. My unform was jack boots and pressed black tactical BDUs to pass military muster. Think Billy the Exterminator or Dog the Bounty Hunter of the IT world. I spent more time gearing up in the morning than most wearing conventional suits and ties.

The reason for all this was the preconceived notion that someone with this look surely must be a hacker type. Movies from this era helped prepetuate the image of hackers having extraordinary skills. It might sound like nothing more than a gimmick but I served me well for 9 years.

One of my favorite stories was going out to lunch with a client to an upscale resturant. I had to wear a loaner sport jackets to enter. A friend of my client came up and asked where he picked up the carny. I ended up doing quite a bit of work for guy. We still laugh about that first meeting. He admits he is more mindful of passing judgement on appearance after that day.

I did good work and lots of it for a reasonable price. I often think I was ahead of my time with the concept but it was before reality tv became popular. I must admit, I doubt a show about a guy setting IRQ and DMA jumpers on a network cards in an odd outfit could hold anyone's attention for very long. It could barely hold mine.

My point to all this is sometimes an unconventional way of going about things can work in your favor, even if it doesn't fit into everyone's idea of being "proper".

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Some people who are rude rationalize their behavior rather than simply admit they're bumpkins and get on with it. Like many today they're not content with tolerance but also demand approval; they want to act loutish but not be considered louts.

So I take it you'll be wearing a suit to the next White Sox game you attend?

[jwaiter]

Originally Posted by billybones

Reading this thread really go me thinking about how some people put too much importance on things that don't matter in the big picture.

If seeing hats worn in public is someones biggest problem, they must have a sweet life. What a ridiculous thread.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Drover

So I take it you'll be wearing a suit to the next White Sox game you attend?

Only the swells dressed up for ballgames. But people of all classes removed hats when indoors.

Getting dressed up for a ballgame (or any event for that matter) takes some effort. Doffing your lid takes none. Nobody is put out taking their hat off. One wonders why people leave them on indoors; there's no exposure to cold, sun or rain. I guess that with some people their head really is no good for anything more than a hatrack.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Only the swells dressed up for ballgames. But people of all classes removed hats when indoors.

Getting dressed up for a ballgame (or any event for that matter) takes some effort. Doffing your lid takes none. Nobody is put out taking their hat off. One wonders why people leave them on indoors; there's no exposure to cold, sun or rain. I guess that with some people their head really is no good for anything more than a hatrack.

Listen to you rationalizing your rudeness.

[Happy in Wyoming]

Originally Posted by hxcobd

Seriously

I want one of you to explain to me, rationally and logically, how someone wearing a baseball cap while eating a meal is "offensive."

For real, I'm genuinely intrigued. I'm not asking about why it's rooted in 19th century mannerisms, I'm asking how in the hell such a thing could ever be considered an offensive act.

If you need to ask the question, you'd never understand the answer.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Drover

Listen to you rationalizing your rudeness.

That's glib and somewhat witty but not really much of an argument since wearing suits to ballgames never was a social convention but removing hats was.

Didn't I say that already?

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

That's glib and somewhat witty but not really much of an argument since wearing suits to ballgames never was a social convention but removing hats was.

Didn't I say that already?

The key word in your post is the very last word of it.

Dressing up for baseball games and other social engagements considered "casual" by today's standards was the social convention a mere generation before yours. But you've rudely bucked those social conventions. There's no point in trying to justify or explain away your rudeness.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Drover

Dressing up for baseball games and other social engagements considered "casual" by today's standards was the social convention a mere generation before yours.

I disagree that dressing for ballgames was a social convention; that meaning to me that all classes were expected to follow it.

And I do dress for events where it was once a convention to dress---weddings, funerals, wakes, Mass, nice restaurants and such. Having spent my entire working life in dungarees I welcome the chance to put on wool slacks, a sport coat, dress shoes and a dobber.