Guys who wear hats in restaurants, during the National Anthem, etc. (Charleston: lawyers, moving)

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Drover

I'm defending wearing hats indoors because I shouldn't have to -- this is the 21st century. But alas, there are some cussed old cranks who can't let go of the past and just must make an issue of it.

And there is is! That's each succeeding generation's answer to everything. Just keep watering-down the basic tenets of a polite, civil and considerate society because you can, you're entitled, it's your right, "you'll show them" and back we gradually go to an era of knuckle-dragging, chest-thumping Neanderthals. It all sounds like juvenile hubris and rebellion to me.

My generation was one of the most radical and I never subscribed to the ethos of the day. One wonders how, I and many like me survived it all. Perhaps individuality isn't a lost art after all.

[Orangeish]

What you call juvenile rebellion, I call cultural recognition of an antiquated standard that was based in values from an era that we are no longer residing in.

Stating a new standard is going to hurl us backward millions of years in evolutionary development is overdramatic, and very cliche of someone who is part of an older generation. It's just a kafkaesque way saying "back in my day, ....."

Anyways, I'm pretty sure tthric. I'm not going to convince you wearing hats in some places isn't that bad, and you are not going to convince me wearing a hat indoors is on par with flinging feces at one another.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Orangeish

It's just a kafkaesque way saying "back in my day, ....."

Yup! And I've earned it!

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

And there is is! That's each succeeding generation's answer to everything...

Including your generation. And you. And the fact that you condemn a process you were a part of is what makes your righteous preening on the subject so grating. As if there was something unique and special about your generation that it somehow perfected social norms and customs and therefore all further such changes should stop at standards set by your generation.

Eh -- sorry, doesn't work like that. Your generation did its part, old-timer, and we'll take it from here.

[HumboldtParkShiner]

Originally Posted by AONE

When a woman walks in the room a gentleman stands

a man proceeds a woman in a turnstyle so as to push it

A man opens a door for a woman

a man follows a woman up stairs so as to offer support in the event of a slip

this provided a good chuckle. very funny.

[Attrill]

Erasmus put it best:

The most important rule of civility, however irreproachable one may be, is to excuse readily the faults of others and not to love a comrade less because his manners are uncultivated. For many make up for the rudeness of their manners by other qualities and our precepts are not so absolute that we say none can be good who does not observe them

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by HumboldtParkShiner

this provided a good chuckle. very funny.

When I first moved to Europe as a very young lawyer, I was taken aback by how women were generally treated. The weaker sex indeed.

Years later, I moved to Brazil. A little bit older, a little bit wiser, but mostly just as an oversexed American woman very used to her independence. I returned again to the same social manners, where men hold open doors for women and stand at the dinner table when women arrive or excuse themselves.

And it was such a wonderful, refreshing change of pace. It was such a supremely elegant way to interact with members of the opposite sex-- ways in which we court one another, interact, show social respect for anyone and in general... flirt.

Then I moved right back to Los Angeles. And American men. And American social graces. I miss the basic social dignity I saw, in which people took pride in their appearance and did not have to have simple social etiquette explained to them on message boards.

The bottom line here is that wearing a hat in a restaurant is simply not done. It is a display of a lack of manners. Be it a burger joint or a fine dining restaurant, it doesn't matter.

[Drover]

Back to the stuffy-prig tea-and-crumpet table with you. Us hat-wearing, mouth-breathing Philistines are trying to enjoy our casual meal.

[RarelyOffended]

I can't believe how many petty opinions people have about wearing a hat in public places....I thought humans were progressing atleast somewhat guess not. Who cares if someone wears a hat at a burger joint or a bar. Especially a bar where most people make fools out of themselves by drinking to much alcohol and making risky decisions like driving after drinking, risky sexual encounters, violence risking someones life.....but dear GOD not a hat. Please......

[Bluesmama]

My husband always removes his hat for the National Anthem. Always. And we both place our hands over our hearts, too. Don't give a rat's *** if it looks corny to anyone else.