Why is Chicago losing population? (Pittsburg, Cleveland: insurance, crime, tax)

[John55]

Originally Posted by frattura30

One reason is Chicago politics and the very very stupid people who vote these crooks in.
Unfortunately, the very very stupid people of Illinois will continue to vote these selfish greedy bastards into office. Chicago could be like Detroit in a few decades, maybe less.

DITTO!

And why everyone keeps saying Chicago MIGHT become another Detroit, are you kiddin!??!?

When you have to argue that the death rate isn't the same as a death tally, but then still have to admit that Chicago's death rate is higher than the other cities....well it sounds sort of hollow, and a lot like a politician.

WHY anyone would put any incumbent back into office is beyond me.

[CarolinaBredChicagoan]

Originally Posted by John55

DITTO!

And why everyone keeps saying Chicago MIGHT become another Detroit, are you kiddin!??!?

When you have to argue that the death rate isn't the same as a death tally, but then still have to admit that Chicago's death rate is higher than the other cities....well it sounds sort of hollow, and a lot like a politician.

Really? Does it? Because, to me, a rate is a FAR better determinant of likelihood, which is what a discussion of murder rates in a community is all about, really, isn't it? The fact of the matter is that the murder RATE in Chicago, while bad, isn't as bad as a long list of smaller cities. Furthermore, the murders that do take place are centralized in a handful of neighborhoods.

That speaks to the REALITY of living in Chicago for the majority of its citizens. We're not fearful. We're not cooped up in corners. We're aware of our surroundings, but I, for one, am aware that, statistically, I'm in less danger in Chicago than in the mid-sized Southern town in which I grew up.

Now, on the different topic of whether we should vote the bums out, I say yes. We need to at least give Daley a little bit of a freakin wake-up call. I mean, the guy really doesn't seem to give a flip about most of the people in Chicago, and I, for one, am done with him. Then again, we need a COMPLETE overhaul. If it were up to me, I'd can the whole lot and start anew. And I don't just mean elected officials. I mean every city (and county. And state, for that matter) employee.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by John55

When you have to argue that the death rate isn't the same as a death tally, but then still have to admit that Chicago's death rate is higher than the other cities....well it sounds sort of hollow, and a lot like a politician.

What part don't you understand? It's simple math. Would you rather live in a city of 2,000 people with 500 murders or a city of 3,000,000 with 500 murders? Murder RATE is the only way to compare cities effectively.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by John55

And why everyone keeps saying Chicago MIGHT become another Detroit, are you kiddin!??!?

No one with any actual knowledge on the subject is saying that. It's only clueless mouth breathers who have never spent significant time in either city.

[ChiMack]

i think chicago with the illegals has over 3million people

also i think daley might be gone in the next elections he is losing support..who will replace him is the better answer

[Sportin72]

I have lived in Chicago for 12 years and went to school in Ann Arbor for undergrad and can confidently say that there is no way EVER that Chicago will descend to Detroit's level of unemployment or crime. Chicago's economy is driven by viable manufacturing, consulting and finance where Detroit is almost 80% vested in auto.

I left Chicago partly because of the high crime rate in the area which I lived. But even though Chicago aggregate crime tally is high, you would see it is concentrated to a few areas dispersed across the city (i.e. Englewood, Woodlawn, West Side, Ukrainian Village, and Humboldt Park).

As a young professional looking to rent an apartment, I would not be opposed to moving back to the near north or southside but taxes are making the city expensive. Arguably that will be reversed the next election cycle after Stroger loses county president election and the announcement of the 2016 Olympic site, but that remains to be seen.

But as long as taxes are high, northsiders will be moving out to the north burbs, and southsiders are moving out south and downstate to Champaign and Danville.

[drummercycle]

wow, that's the first time i've ever heard of ukrainian village being lumped in with those other areas!

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by Sportin72

I have lived in Chicago for 12 years and went to school in Ann Arbor for undergrad and can confidently say that there is no way EVER that Chicago will descend to Detroit's level of unemployment or crime. Chicago's economy is driven by viable manufacturing, consulting and finance where Detroit is almost 80% vested in auto.

I left Chicago partly because of the high crime rate in the area which I lived. But even though Chicago aggregate crime tally is high, you would see it is concentrated to a few areas dispersed across the city (i.e. Englewood, Woodlawn, West Side, Ukrainian Village, and Humboldt Park).

As a young professional looking to rent an apartment, I would not be opposed to moving back to the near north or southside but taxes are making the city expensive. Arguably that will be reversed the next election cycle after Stroger loses county president election and the announcement of the 2016 Olympic site, but that remains to be seen.

But as long as taxes are high, northsiders will be moving out to the north burbs, and southsiders are moving out south and downstate to Champaign and Danville.

I don't know, taxes in Chicago actually aren't all that high. In comparison to other cities, even much smaller cities, Chicago stacks up favorably.

[frattura30]

Originally Posted by simulcra

also, you could not be more wrong. you could try, but you would fail. read some modern literature on this - california has almost (if not the) most unfriendly business environment, highest cost of labor in the entire nation, but still attracts the most talent, most money, most people. business friendliness is almost irrelevant compared to talent pool agglomeration and cultural amenities when it comes to the new economy.

You are incorrect. If you turn on the news you will find California is in very serious debt. Clearly from bad management and because the over runned social welfare programs by illegals. It would appear the rest of the country will unfortunately bail out California. Its important that the rest of the country sees how socialism is a true failure. Whats happening to California will happen in Chicago/Illinois. None of "the most talent, most money, most people. business friendliness" environment will be able to save California...nice try though.

[frattura30]

Chicago has the highest sales tax in the country, highest gas prices in the country, murder rate as well has all the social welfare programs you can get your hands on. The politicians get golden parachutes when they step down or hand it off to their kids. What a joke!! The rotten politicians have this all in their back pocket and someone wants to argue tally and rate? What a joke!! Its quite sad that 500 murders is something to accept in your logic. Chicagoans need to step outside of their political programming (brainwashing) and stop voting these clowns in.