hipster area (Chicago, Naperville, Lincoln: how much, to buy, landlords)
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What's that hot dog place, Wiener Circle, where people come in and scream racial slurs at the people working there?
I'm going to open up a coffee shop that allows people to yell stuff at the hipsters. I'll make a fortune.
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Originally Posted by LakeShoreSoxGo
Pilsen is thriving. It has had a thriving hispanic and working class population for quite some time. Just because a bunch of dazed kids in skinny jeans playing with iphones 24/7 were not there does not mean it was was not thriving.
I'm not doing the I agree/I disagree anymore. I never said Pilsen is thriving but it's becoming a hot spot for starving artists, a cycle will happen, you'll see.
There is more to it than just landlords putting up some new vinyl siding and renting to middle class people. I'm not getting into it, here's a quick copy and paste from wikipedia:
As such, David Ley posits a rehabilitated post-industrial city influenced by a "new middle class" containing a cultural sub-class denominated as a creative class of artists, teachers, and cultural administrators. They are the first-stage gentrifiers economically preparing the inner city for gentrification—by introducing to the city the rich bourgeois politics characterized by diminished public funding for housing affordable to middle- and low-income residents, draconian residency laws against the homeless and the poor displaced when "artists move into otherwise undesirable buildings, [and] usually make significant improvements to their spaces, and their surrounding areas. Everyone benefits from these tenuous and uneasy ... arrangements. Then, landlords becoming aware that they are sitting on gold mines, rush to cash in".
To wit, sociologist Sharon Zukin reports the economic realities of the "artist loft" real estate business in Manhattan, when the owners of the building where she resided converted it to a "co-op" administration in 1979, and she "bade good-bye to the manufacturers, an artist, and several residents who could not afford the market prices at which our lofts were sold". In the event, rich lawyers and accountants, retail business people and investment bankers replaced the suburban "starving artist" bohemian "first-stage gentrifiers"[24] who initiated the gentrification of Hell's Kitchen, in mid-town New York City, Harlem, Washington Heights, Astoria, and areas of Brooklyn.
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What's that hot dog place, Weiner Circle, where people come in and scream racial slurs at the people working there?
I'm going to open up a coffee shop that allows people to yell stuff at the hipsters. I'll make a fortune.
The thing is that hot dog joint found a niche market, which would be **** drunk idiots who left their manners at the frat house.
I'm not sure if you can find that market with coffee drinkers, but who knows?
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I'm not doing the I agree/I disagree anymore. I never said Pilsen is thriving but it's becoming a hot spot for starving artists, a cycle will happen, you'll see.
Would that cycle be what happened in the mission in SF? Where hispanics get pushed out of their community? Sounds great. Not really.
Would that cycle be what happened in the mission in SF? Where hispanics get pushed out of their community? Sounds great. Not really.
Well this is a problem in any city that has a rapidly growing population. Transplants for the most part tend to be more middle to upper class, especially in large cities with a lot white collar jobs. When you have an influx of people moving in (it's irrelevant who, hipsters, yuppies, movie stars, professionals, etc) the lower-class tends to get screwed. I'm not sure about SF, but NYC has many programs for lower income residents. This keeps neigbhorods like Williamsburg diverse. My current apartment is rent stabilized (keep in mind it's a new construction with luxury apartments filled with professionals). My rent can't go up more than 3% when I sign my next lease.
The mission is convenient to the central business district. Space is very limited in the bay area.
So its not a problem because it happens in other cities? Phathom, just for a second, if possible, what it's like to live in a neighborhood for years, only to have outsiders turn your world upside down.
The whole of Chicago's working class can't commute in from Streamwood, NWI, and Joliet, the city would collapse.
So its not a problem because it happens in other cities? Phathom, just for a second, if possible, what it's like to live in a neighborhood for years, only to have outsiders turn your world upside down.
The whole of Chicago's working class can't commute in from Streamwood, NWI, and Joliet, the city would collapse.
I have, my immigrant parents have been pushed all over NYC trying to find affordable housing in the 70's-80's. I've gone to bed hungry many nights as a kid and had a less than desirable holiday's just so the rent could be paid. I'm not saying this isn't a problem, I totally agree with you. It makes me sick when the government doesn't mind spending tax dollars on welfare, bailouts and war but many cities lack affordable housing for working class families. They give developers tax credits to build condos to only push people out and let them rot elsewhere. In reality, we can't stop people from moving in, I think it's the city's obligation to have some sort of affordable housing options.
Gentrification does have many advantages, but within these gentrifying neighborhoods, I think it's important for the city to give the public options. If cities think people are entitled to welfare, I think hard working people are more than entitled to affordable housing. It seems many cities either have projects or luxury apartments.
The whole of Chicago's working class can't commute in from Streamwood, NWI, and Joliet, the city would collapse.
And you know what?
They wont have too.
Do we all really think that gentrification is going to be
THAT extensive? There are always humdrum areas
with less than cheery large apartment complexes.
There are tons of affordable houses/buildings right now
as well.
There are parts of the city that are not exactly improving
right now. Like say Belmont Craigin/Portage Park for example.
There will always be room for "working class" people in the
city of Chicago, but yeah it wont be on Prime Realestate
for the most part.
SF ofcourse is an extreme city because of geography,
its a peninsula and not very large so the Pressure on Housing
there is Extreme and that is true for the Island of Manhattan
and areas closeby to that. Chicago is different.
Mainly areas by the lake or close to the EL are really
what is feeling the effects of gentrification.
And even so take a look at the southside by the Lake,
South of HydePark you would be hardpressed to say
that any workingclass families are in any danger in the
near future of being priced out.
The Northside by the Lake and the Northside by EL stops
and the Near West side by EL stops or Downtown and Near South side
by the Lake and by El stops is really what is changing
due to gentrification, otherwise, yeah, alot of Chicago
is in no danger of pricing anyone out for a long time.
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So its not a problem because it happens in other cities? Phathom, just for a second, if possible, what it's like to live in a neighborhood for years, only to have outsiders turn your world upside down.
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I liked your comment so much I decide to answer it in two parts.
Well the flipside of gentrification is ghettoification.
Both are trends that the common man alone cant stop.
I think that we can all agree on.
So Lakeshoresoxgo does it feel worse to be pushed out of a
neigborhood when you are priced out or because the safety
level has gotten to the point where you are forced to move
and sell at a loss?
Neigborhoods change and the people in that neigborhood now
their parents were outsiders before and I dont think they
were welcomed into the neigborhood with open arms,
some in extreme cases probably got bricks in their windows.
So now that the area is changing for the better (relative term
just means the buildings are getting fixed up and alot of money
is being invested in the local infrastructure) are
the residents of old that are now there treating the new outsiders
any better than they were treated?
Something to Ponder.
No one owns a neigborhood.
Take Pilsen for example, that name isnt a Mexican name. Its Czech.
It would be weird if neigborhoods were static
unchanging places stuck in time.
There was a time when Cities were awesome,
then it was the Suburbs and now the balance
is shifting back more towards the City.
Its a national trend. Its understandable to not like
change and to feel animosity to a new group of people
moving into where you have grown up.
I went through this, umm 30 years ago in Lincoln Park.
This has been going on for a very very very long time.
Lincoln Park was just a regular rough and tumble neigborhood
when I was a tyke, I cant afford to live there now
so I live and own in Rogers Park.
...the cyclic nature of what is "in or out" is certainly partly the explanation, but as the video's point out, these "non-conformists" have some easy to pin common characteristics. Testing, social networking web sites, theft store / American Apperal look, reliance on moneynfrom benevolent family to cover rent
My guess is hipster fad is already on it's way out. If I had to guess what will be emerging to replace it I'd look to the demographic trends, maybe something like anti- organizers --- people that will go out of their way to critize both traditional politics and the tea party type backlash. Not sure how that translates into bars and such.
Yeah thats terrible to have a family help support you
when you are out there in your own apartment.
As a landlord I hate that, I usually like deadbeats better
who cant look to family support and who live beyond their
means and feel put upon when the rent is due.
I like your prediction though, Hmmm.
Antiorganizers......
Dont think that will catch on as a name for a group though.
Didnt we already have that with generation X and slackers?
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