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Old 12-30-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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I didn't say anything in my post about marijuana in particular.

American prisons and jails incarcerate 2.3 million people, 1 million of which are imprisoned for non-violent crimes.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Prison Inmates at Midyear 2009 - Statistical Tables
http://www.cjcj.org/files/americas.pdf
Ok, so what then? Just because someone does a non-violent crime doesn't mean they shouldn't be locked up. Thieves, burglars, scammers, possession of weapons, threats and intimidation, identity theft, wire fraud, money laundering, the list could go on. You shouldn't just get a slap on the wrist just because you didn't do violence to someone.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Wicker Park/East Village area
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Wait until you're 69, see what you think then.

I don't think killing someone who attacks you is murder.
Nobody has any proof an "attack" ever happened. You can't kill everyone you get into a physical altercation with, sorry, I think the guy deserves lengthy jail time.
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Old 12-30-2010, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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So Tom, all those bar fights you've seen in your day -- they started with a punch, correct? Did the "victim" there have a right to shoot someone to death over a simple (alcohol-fueled) dispute?
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Wait until you're 69, see what you think then.

I don't think killing someone who attacks you is murder.
When you go to confront someone who is not threatening you, bring a gun with you, brandish it, and end up using it, that's murder. Or at the very least manslaughter. If he didn't intend to use it he shouldn't have brought it with him.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine
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So Tom, all those bar fights you've seen in your day -- they started with a punch, correct? Did the "victim" there have a right to shoot someone to death over a simple (alcohol-fueled) dispute?

No. I realize my position on this was wrong.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Does anyone actually know if the guy who was killed punched the 69 year old?
Excellent point.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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So I guess the next time a cop fears for his safety and kills some one, we should assume because there is "no witness" that the cop is lying?
Hello. People already do assume the cop is lying. They do in Chicago at least.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Age has much to do with it. An old man attacked by a young man has a right to defend himself by whatever means. It might not be legal but it's right. Which is probably why the judge cut the old timer some slack.
Did you ever see the video of "epic beard man?'"
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Seven Seven Three
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I can't believe this. I am not condoning the actions of the 23 year old, but let's think about this for a second. Yes, according to the story, the 23 year old punched the 69 year old, because there was a confrontation.

I'm willing to bet that the 69 year old was the instigator of the argument to begin with. He saw the dog urinating (not even defecating, URINATING) on his lawn, and went out to start something with the owner of the dog. I mean really, urine?! Who gives a flying you-know-what about a dog urinating on your lawn?

The old man should spend the rest of his life in prison. The fact that he served the country half a century ago is completely irrelevant.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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What is the story on the 23 year old? Was he a trouble maker or have a record?

I think the old guy overreacted and should have been given some nominal prison time. Its not like this dead due was a gangbanger sellinf drugs on his front lawn.

I would have given the old man 1-5 years in prison and let him out after 2 years for good behavior. Probation is too light.

My dad had a guy convicted of drunk driving who got 90 days in jail for a far lesser offense in which his passenger went to the hospital.
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