Appeals court: Rahm shouldn't be on ballot (Chicago: pool, place)

[tonythetuna]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

there are more stringent definitions of what those activities are, though. I'm pretty sure (not positive) they all involve "stuff" (no buttons, no handing out things), although it's likely that people aren't allowed to just hang out in the actual polling places (and again, I'll bet there's a specific definition of what that means, within 25' of the door, etc).

this just is from Waguespack campaign:

If any of you hear about our opponents doing anything dodgy and/or illegal, I need to know about it. For example, we know of at least a few things:
1. Placing signs in public parkways;
2. Removing our signs from private property (i.e. where we got permission to place them);
3. Promising services in exchange for votes (e.g. telling people they shoveled their sidewalk & would like their vote);
4. Placing campaign literature in public places (e.g. opponents placed a stack of campaign flyers in Hamlin Park building.)

Please let me know when/where you see any of this. And if you can, remedy the situation yourself.

This is the Illinois electioneering law

Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes

The reason I believe Rahm is guilty of electioneering is he is a candidate in the election and he has no legal reason for being in the polling place ( like: he is voting, is working as an election judge, is working as a poll watcher, works in the building being used as a polling place,etc.)

Here is one piece of the law that should be noted:

"No person other than election officers and the challengers allowed by law and those admitted for the purpose of voting, as hereinafter provided, shall be permitted within the proximity of the voting booths, except by authority of the primary officers to keep order and enforce the law."

And this:

"No person shall do any electioneering or soliciting of votes on primary day within any polling place or within one hundred feet of any polling place, or, at the option of a church or private school, on any of the property of that church or private school that is a polling place."

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by tonythetuna

This is the Illinois electioneering law

Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes

The reason I believe Rahm is guilty of electioneering is he is a candidate in the election and he has no legal reason for being in the polling place ( like: he is voting, is working as an election judge, is working as a poll watcher, works in the building being used as a polling place,etc.)

Here is one piece of the law that should be noted:

"No person other than election officers and the challengers allowed by law and those admitted for the purpose of voting, as hereinafter provided, shall be permitted within the proximity of the voting booths, except by authority of the primary officers to keep order and enforce the law."

yep, I agree with your read - unfortunately in totality there's enough verbiage there to make a few lawyers very wealthy arguing over the fine-print after the fact, though.

[tonythetuna]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

yep, I agree with your read - unfortunately in totality there's enough verbiage there to make a few lawyers very wealthy arguing over the fine-print after the fact, though.

Thanks for at least hearing out my argument.

[tonythetuna]

Originally Posted by aragx6

I think that's called campaigning not electioneering.

The definition of electioneering basically means illegally campaigning in some manner inside a polling place.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by tonythetuna

Thanks for at least hearing out my argument.

oh, I didn't doubt you one bit. but I know from calling 911 on election day to report violations that the City takes jailing Dibs proponents more seriously than electioneering.

[williepotatoes]

Candidates are credentialed and allowed to act as poll watchers. They may stay from early morning set-up until the final count is totaled (long after the polls have closed, if they wish). They also have the right to make challenges and sit in on most discussions conducted by the election judges.

In a nutshell any candidate can visit a polling place and chill all he wants, as long as he doesn't start telling folks how to vote. He has all the rights and the same limitations as a pollwatcher. At the same time, that candidate and his other pollwatchers can be asked to leave by the election judges should they become a nuisance.

Few candidates want to get caught up in the drama, so that is why they usually make short appearances and then leave the grunt work to their pollwatchers.

[tonythetuna]

Originally Posted by williepotatoes

Candidates are credentialed and allowed to act as poll watchers. They may stay from early morning set-up until the final count is totaled (long after the polls have closed, if they wish). They also have the right to make challenges and sit in on most discussions conducted by the election judges.

In a nutshell any candidate can visit a polling place and chill all he wants, as long as he doesn't start telling folks how to vote. He has all the rights and the same limitations as a pollwatcher. At the same time, that candidate and his other pollwatchers can be asked to leave by the election judges should they become a nuisance.

Few candidates want to get caught up in the drama, so that is why they usually make short appearances and then leave the grunt work to their pollwatchers.

Please show proof of what you say.

[williepotatoes]

Originally Posted by tonythetuna

Please show proof of what you say.

www.elections.state.il.us/Downloads/ElectionInformation/PDF/pollguide.pdf

Look at page 6.

[linicx]

Yeah ... lawyer's Writ it.

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

yep, I agree with your read - unfortunately in totality there's enough verbiage there to make a few lawyers very wealthy arguing over the fine-print after the fact, though.

[tonythetuna]

Originally Posted by williepotatoes

www.elections.state.il.us/Downloads/ElectionInformation/PDF/pollguide.pdf

Look at page 6.

Thanks for this. I was not aware of this right for a candidate.

However, this right still does not allow electioneering by a candidate in a polling place or within 100 feet of one.

Page 6:
"Candidates must have candidate credentials in order to
remain in the polling place. They have the same rights
and limitations as other pollwatchers."


Page 11:
"Electioneering – active campaigning and
solicitation of votes by a candidate, candidates
or party workers in the polling place or within the
100 foot campaign free zone of the polling place."

http://www.elections.state.il.us/Dow.../pollguide.pdf