Truth about Lincoln Park? (Chicago, Ashland: schools, college, closing)
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Wait, you like the Clybourn corridor more than Lincoln Park?
I do not think the midwest or the east coast are the correct place for you.
Yeah, that area near Weed and North and Clybourn has certain uses, occasionally (although I honestly can't remember the last time I needed - let alone wanted - to go there), but I think the vast majority of Chicagoans think of that whole area as one giant clusterf**k of poor planning and disorganized land use. The stores there are the kind where you want a car to haul things back with, but traffic is horrendeous. And even if you wanted to walk there, the sidewalks are among the least-pedestrian-friendly in the city among actual areas people might want to go.
As far as LIVING there, although there are a few areas there now to live, I wouldn't personally want to. I guess on paper it probably seems like a great place to live - some nightlife, a great grocery store in the area, Best Buy, lots of other stores, a Red Line subway stop. But the actual experience of living there seems like it would be pretty scattershot to me.
If you end up moving out by DePaul in LincolnPark, your best 24 hour options are Clarke's at Lincoln and Fullerton, or Mitchell's at Clybourn and Racine. But, as a DePaul alum, I can warn you...we don't use those to study late at night. They are usually full of the overserved. If you live in lakeview, there is a Clarke's on Belmont, or the IHOP up by Halsted and Waveland.
Ok, this is the second time you brought up crime. So now its time for a little discussion.
You are looking at moving to a large urban area. Part of the package with moving to a large urban area like Chicago, NYC, or LA is that there is random crime. Even in the nicest areas, bad things occur. For these urban areas, they rotate as the "Big Crime City". NYC had it before the Giuliani Gestapo state, and LA had the rep after the riots.
Right now, due in part to who our President is, and FauxNews and the NRA's desire to make him look bad, there is a portrayal of Chicago as a lawless crime-ridden place. The truth is, the murder rate here has been on a rapid decline, and the violent crime has also shown significant improvements...especially when compared to their peaks in the mid 1990's. Its been a pretty nice downtrend since then, especially when controlling for such variables as the economy.
So, lets cut to the chase. Lincoln Park is one of the safer neighborhoods in the city. There is a concerted effort to keep in that way, by the neighborhood, business owners, and police.
The biggest irony is that if you are a victim of violent crime in Lincoln Park, it won't be at the hands of A Scary Person Of Color. Odds are, it will instead by at the hands of an overserved Big 10 Frat Alum, or a suburbanite out for a weekend, along the strip of bars on Lincoln or Clark.
So, if you are TRULY concerned about crime, go to the North Shore. (Just don't mention Laurie Dann). But you will be giving up a lot of the night-life options. If you want to move to the city, try the Lincoln Square neighborhood...it has the lowest violent crime per capita in the city...but is loaded with families like mine, who somehow, against all odds, raise healthy, normal, well-adjusted kids in the city...so the nightlife isn't the best for 25 year olds.
If you end up moving out by DePaul in LincolnPark, your best 24 hour options are Clarke's at Lincoln and Fullerton, or Mitchell's at Clybourn and Racine. But, as a DePaul alum, I can warn you...we don't use those to study late at night. They are usually full of the overserved. If you live in lakeview, there is a Clarke's on Belmont, or the IHOP up by Halsted and Waveland.
This gets quoted as the most blunt message on here ever. I'm not afraid of the city and in fact am very intimate with Tampa's innards. Needless to say Chicago is on a far grander scale and does have more gangs than we do so I have to prepare myself for that and make my move wisely.
The biggest irony is that if you are a victim of violent crime in Lincoln Park, it won't be at the hands of A Scary Person Of Color. Odds are, it will instead by at the hands of an overserved Big 10 Frat Alum, or a suburbanite out for a weekend, along the strip of bars on Lincoln or Clark.
...and every Christmas the parking lots in Clybourn Corridor pop in the news due to fistfights over the spaces.
color me unimpressed with that whole area, I went to grade school right there & I liked it better when Cabrini was still around. That actually kept the well-heeled riff-raff away.
This gets quoted as the most blunt message on here ever. I'm not afraid of the city and in fact am very intimate with Tampa's innards. Needless to say Chicago is on a far grander scale and does have more gangs than we do so I have to prepare myself for that and make my move wisely.
Ah, that's just the generic spiel.
I'm used to giving it here, or at family functions, or in the burbs.
Last year, there was a guy on this message board who was on the fence about coming to a big festival in Chicago because he was convinced we were one step away from a Mad Max movie.
But when people start using words as "crime" and "gangs", its good to bring up the fact that in my 15 years living in the city, all the assaults that I know of have come at the hands of someone that looks more like someone from "The Office" than someone from "The Wire".
That said, Ybor City is a hole. I'll give you that.
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Originally Posted by slow_nerve_action
Right now, due in part to who our President is, and FauxNews and the NRA's desire to make him look bad, there is a portrayal of Chicago as a lawless crime-ridden place. The truth is, the murder rate here has been on a rapid decline, and the violent crime has also shown significant improvements...especially when compared to their peaks in the mid 1990's. Its been a pretty nice downtrend since then, especially when controlling for such variables as the economy.
So, lets cut to the chase. Lincoln Park is one of the safer neighborhoods in the city. There is a concerted effort to keep in that way, by the neighborhood, business owners, and police.
The biggest irony is that if you are a victim of violent crime in Lincoln Park, it won't be at the hands of A Scary Person Of Color. Odds are, it will instead by at the hands of an overserved Big 10 Frat Alum, or a suburbanite out for a weekend, along the strip of bars on Lincoln or Clark.
What an annoying post!
Chicago is seen as crime ridden because it has one of the highest homicide rates in the country. It goes back to the days of Capone. LA county has more gangs but a lower homicide rate (not to mention great weather all year round to go outside and cause trouble). During the 7 months of good weather in Chicago we have more murders than LA in 12 months, people die in big numbers.
Funny you mention Frat boys commiting violent crimes and surburban people... huh? When I went to DePaul, usually a home invasion or sexual assault warning was of a "scary person of color" (based on the police sketch). We aren't talking about common conflicts that both parties are involved (fist fights) but where one is a victim, and one is an offender. It was rare but it happened. I don't remember the criminals looking like they had popped collars and spiked hair (BTW there are no "frats" at DePaul or in the area, it has a pathetic Greek Life and the "Big 10" frat alums hang out near the biggest toilet bowl in America: Wrigleyville). Lincoln Park is yuppie and not a party area.
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...and every Christmas the parking lots in Clybourn Corridor pop in the news due to fistfights over the spaces.
color me unimpressed with that whole area, I went to grade school right there & I liked it better when Cabrini was still around. That actually kept the well-heeled riff-raff away.
Hehe.. yea. I'll take a shooting or armed robbery over a fist fight any day...
Chicago is seen as crime ridden because it has one of the highest homicide rates in the country. It goes back to the days of Capone. LA county has more gangs but a lower homicide rate (not to mention great weather all year round to go outside and cause trouble). During the 7 months of good weather in Chicago we have more murders than LA in 12 months, people die in big numbers.
Funny you mention Frat boys commiting violent crimes and surburban people... huh? When I went to DePaul, usually a home invasion or sexual assault warning was of a "scary person of color" (based on the police sketch). We aren't talking about common conflicts that both parties are involved (fist fights) but where one is a victim, and one is an offender. It was rare but it happened. I don't remember the criminals looking like they had popped collars and spiked hair (BTW there are no "frats" at DePaul or in the area, it has a pathetic Greek Life and the "Big 10" frat alums hang out near the biggest toilet bowl in America: Wrigleyville). Lincoln Park is yuppie and not a party area.
What an annoying reply!
Yeah, I did four years at DePaul too....and there were plenty of overgrown frat boys from Big 10 schools...nobody said they were DePaul's. DePaul students, for the most part, were pretty mellow.
Did you live on campus at DePaul, or were you a commuter?
Chicago is seen as crime ridden because it has one of the highest homicide rates in the country. It goes back to the days of Capone. LA county has more gangs but a lower homicide rate (not to mention great weather all year round to go outside and cause trouble). During the 7 months of good weather in Chicago we have more murders than LA in 12 months, people die in big numbers. ... BTW there are no "frats" at DePaul or in the area, it has a pathetic Greek Life and the "Big 10" frat alums hang out near the biggest toilet bowl in America: Wrigleyville
Got some stats backing that up? I guarantee you that there are loads of towns with worse murder rates, but you'll need to include smaller places like Ford Heights and East St. Louis.
As for Capone, now you're just being stupid. Chicago used to have 3.6 million people, and the number of homicides were much, much lower.
This has IMO less to do with the "savage colored" among us than it does the proliferation of cheap handguns. We can thank our friends in states with lax gun shop laws like Mississippi for that.
As for your bizarro comment about frat guys, how did you go to DePaul and never see the puke-a-thon that is the 2200 block of N. Lincoln every weekend night?
Hehe.. yea. I'll take a shooting or armed robbery over a fist fight any day...
I love how you make grown men beating each other into mush sound just so quaint.
It's one thing to be in a "fist fight" when you're 12. When you're an adult, you can cause serious damage pretty easily, the skull & brain are pretty delicate when hit with any kind of reasonably on-target object like a fist. That's why it's called "assault and battery."
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