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Old 06-09-2011, 01:52 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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These are in regular use in Europe and on a test basis in NYC and Boston. They can be backed over repeatedly and still bounce back. I have serious doubts that you really understand what they are installing.

The permanent plan more than likely will use a concrete barrier.
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Old 06-10-2011, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Beautiful and sanitary DC
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How hard will it be to make a left turn out of the protected lane? ...isn't there still a possibility of getting 'doored' by a passenger side door opening?
This stretch has no left turns, conveniently. Usually, though, you'd make a box turn to go left from the right lane, instead of a "vehicular" left turn from the left lane.

There's a striped ~1' barrier between where the passenger side doors are and where the bike lane is. That said, since average car occupancy is something like 1.2, that would imply that there are ~80% fewer passenger doors opening than driver doors.

My question is about snow removal. Elsewhere, these are done on "snow emergency" streets which are cleared curb to curb (Mpls), they're closed during the winter (Montreal), they're wide enough for small pickup- or Bobcat-mounted plows (DC, Copenhagen). This appears to be none of the above.
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Old 06-11-2011, 09:27 AM
 
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Default I was wondering about the snow removal issue as well....

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This stretch has no left turns, conveniently. Usually, though, you'd make a box turn to go left from the right lane, instead of a "vehicular" left turn from the left lane.

There's a striped ~1' barrier between where the passenger side doors are and where the bike lane is. That said, since average car occupancy is something like 1.2, that would imply that there are ~80% fewer passenger doors opening than driver doors.

My question is about snow removal. Elsewhere, these are done on "snow emergency" streets which are cleared curb to curb (Mpls), they're closed during the winter (Montreal), they're wide enough for small pickup- or Bobcat-mounted plows (DC, Copenhagen). This appears to be none of the above.
I rode by that section last night and had to chuckle. The parked cars still parked at the curb, ignoring the obvious carve outs for parking. Eh, maybe the section is not yet "live"?

Also, was curious as well about snow removal. There is no way a Streets and Sans truck is going to get into that space. Maybe we are going to have to take care of these issues on our own-as bikers. I don't know. As it stands, I ride year round and stick with Lincoln Avenue during snows and freezes (lakefront is a mess).
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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My big concern is the parallel parking skills of random driver X vs. the awareness of cyclist Y. If someone backs into a space, there is a decent chance of the driver misjudging the space and backing into the bike lane. Their view of an oncoming cyclist could be obstructed by the parked car behind them, and the cyclist would have no view of the car.

The other concern I have is in getting into a parked car curbside. If I've got my kid in a stroller there w/ groceries, loading everything into a vehicle could present a hazard to us and a cyclist who is flying by as I'd basically be standing in the bike lane.
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Old 06-13-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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My big concern is the parallel parking skills of random driver X vs. the awareness of cyclist Y. If someone backs into a space, there is a decent chance of the driver misjudging the space and backing into the bike lane. Their view of an oncoming cyclist could be obstructed by the parked car behind them, and the cyclist would have no view of the car.

The other concern I have is in getting into a parked car curbside. If I've got my kid in a stroller there w/ groceries, loading everything into a vehicle could present a hazard to us and a cyclist who is flying by as I'd basically be standing in the bike lane.
There is a buffer of shaded area road markings between the parking spot and the bike lane, so you would not need to stand in the bike lane to get into your car.

That is, if drivers ever use it correctly. I rode by Kinzie this weekend and saw the same thing, cars parked along the curb. Looks like some more signage will be necessary.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Wicker Park/East Village area
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...cars parked along the curb. Looks like some more signage will be necessary.
They need to ticket them, raise revenue and get the word out.
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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They need to ticket them, raise revenue and get the word out.
Eventually yes, but some signage first will help. Can't restripe the road in a way most have never seen, then just start writing tickets when people don't understand how they are supposed to use it.

Well you can, but that's the kind of BS that drives people out of the city.
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Old 06-13-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Rode on this road this morning. People were still parked on the side of the road (probably force of habbit), and eventually car still went two wide, pretty much ignoring all paint on the road. Did not enjoy that part of the ride.
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Old 06-13-2011, 12:01 PM
 
Location: IL
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Eventually yes, but some signage first will help. Can't restripe the road in a way most have never seen, then just start writing tickets when people don't understand how they are supposed to use it.

Well you can, but that's the kind of BS that drives people out of the city.
I would think a combination of signage and warnings (no punishment) for a period of time should help ease the transition.

As they expand this, my concerns, which I assume they thought about and have some kind of plan for are:
-How to teach people about this new concept
-snow removal...or if this is only a non-snow option
-street cleaning
-left turns for bikers, whenever they reach one of those
-right turns for cars...safety for biker
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago - near NW
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Putting a real barrier up will keep cars out of the lane. I don't know why they'd push for the painting so quickly and not even bother with the barriers for a week.
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