Bad Neigborhoods In Chicago, IL (Evanston, Lincoln: house, rent, lease)

[socrates1234]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Better yet, look to Detroit in some ways...

All I can say is that there is no city neighborhood to rival Hyde Park in atmosphere, intelligence, quaint bookstores and eateries, classic brownstones, and so on.....One of the most beautiful city neighborhoods
would be Beverly, with grand mansions down the ridges......and you can say
the same about Lincoln Park, Lakeview, and such. Chicago as a whole is a
great city. As much history was made on the south, per the first nuclear
reaction on the U of C campus, and lots of other stuff, as the north.
We would be quite retarded if we get into the south side/north side argument. If there was a difference, it would be that the north side is less
neighborhood orientated, and more dense and transient. Far more suburbanites and new out-of-area folks. Yes, its white in many areas, but
most of those folks are not long time north side city residents...take away
the new people, and you don't have much to work with. South side areas
like Bridgeport go back many generations..north side areas outside of the
far NW side neighborhoods like Jefferson Park are either transient whites
either single or childless couples or gay, and/or Hispanic, with a decent amount of blacks in Uptown and Rogers Park......there isn't any argument,
as there are very sh*tty areas all over the north AND south sides. And a very
large part of the north side is hard core Hispanic gangbangers, who were
there before the suburban kids started moving in and pushing them farther
west.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Milliano

You've got to be kidding. Probably twice as much of the city's land is experiencing 'white flight' ('flight' that consists of all races/ethnicities - basically most of the southeast, southwest, and northwest of the city) when compared to the amount that is gentrifying (the near northwest, the south loop, and north side neighborhoods along the lake sans Rogers Park).

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Very true. Look at Portage Park for example to Portage Park even ten years ago. Mont Clare is going down really quick.

This is a case where just doing a comparison of ethnic balance from one point in time to the next can be misleading. Yeah, there is a higher percentage of Hispanics in Portage Park than there was 10 or 15 years ago, but is this necessarily due to white flight? In the case of Portage Park and a lot of other Northwest side neighborhoods, maybe not. Portage Park saw a population increase of 16% between the 1990 and 2000 census. So maybe it's not so much that whites are moving out as Hispanics are moving in as it is that Hispanics are moving in while most everyone else is staying put.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Drover

This is a case where just doing a comparison of ethnic balance from one point in time to the next can be misleading. Yeah, there is a higher percentage of Hispanics in Portage Park than there was 10 or 15 years ago, but is this necessarily due to white flight? In the case of Portage Park and a lot of other Northwest side neighborhoods, maybe not. Portage Park saw a population increase of 16% between the 1990 and 2000 census. So maybe it's not so much that whites are moving out as Hispanics are moving in as it is that Hispanics are moving in while most everyone else is staying put.

It is not really about "White Flight" and culture change as it is about crime. If you look at the crime numbers of Portage Park compared to 10-15 years ago there is a huge difference.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

It is not really about "White Flight" and culture change as it is about crime. If you look at the crime numbers of Portage Park compared to 10-15 years ago there is a huge difference.

And where would one find crime stats for Portage Park 10-15 years ago to verify this claim?

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Drover

And where would one find crime stats for Portage Park 10-15 years ago to verify this claim?

I will work on it. If I cannot get it, the best I can do is give the 16th district, which is a huge area. But then again that is most of the real Northwest Side.

[vision raye]

if you are visiting stick to the downtown /rush street area if you go westside /southside there is not much to see or do unless you know the area and are looking for a specific type of food the west side is considered bad because of the drugs and gangs near south and far south is the same but so is far north near north you have old money but there is so much to do in the downtown area you may will not get bored

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

It is not really about "White Flight" and culture change as it is about crime. If you look at the crime numbers of Portage Park compared to 10-15 years ago there is a huge difference.

I'm curious about this too. Cicero is, what, 85% Hispanic now, but it has a crime rate that is (considerably) lower than Oak Park.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/cii/...g27_to_198.pdf

There's often a perception that when Latinos move into an area the crime is going to increase. Maybe in some respects that's true (the families are often much younger) but I've always thought that this is more myth than fact. I'm curious to see your numbers re Portage Park.

[socrates1234]

Originally Posted by BRU67

I'm curious about this too. Cicero is, what, 85% Hispanic now, but it has a crime rate that is (considerably) lower than Oak Park.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/cii/...g27_to_198.pdf

There's often a perception that when Latinos move into an area the crime is going to increase. Maybe in some respects that's true (the families are often much younger) but I've always thought that this is more myth than fact. I'm curious to see your numbers re Portage Park.

The key is that Hispanics are more family orientated than other minorities. That explains a whole lot. Also, many hispanic women stay at home to raise kids. Add that together, and it all makes sense

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

I will work on it. If I cannot get it, the best I can do is give the 16th district, which is a huge area. But then again that is most of the real Northwest Side.

I am still working on it, but here are some figures for the past year. I included some adjacent areas as well as Austin and Humboldt Park to contrast with as well.

Total Violent Crime in the Past Year:

Austin:1828 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:414
Irving Park:220
Albany Park:211
PORTAGE PARK:207
Dunning:67
Jefferson Park:39
Humboldt Park:877

Robbery in the past Year:

Austin:1001 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:221
Irving Park:131
Albany Park:127
PORTAGE PARK:134
Dunning:46
Jefferson Park:28
Humboldt Park:426

Criminal Sexual Assault in the past year:

Austin:107 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:34
Irving Park:20
Albany Park:13
PORTAGE PARK:16
Dunning:4
Jefferson Park:3
Humboldt Park:32

Homicide 1st and 2nd degrees:

Austin:30 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:4
Irving Park:1
Albany Park:3
PORTAGE PARK:1
Dunning:0
Jefferson Park:1
Humboldt Park:17

Thats all folks for now!

When I have all of my info for the last 20 years I will post. It might take awhile.

source of the above figures:Chicago Police Department 2007

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

I am still working on it, but here are some figures for the past year. I included some adjacent areas as well as Austin and Humboldt Park to contrast with as well.

Total Violent Crime in the Past Year:

Austin:1828 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:414
Irving Park:220
Albany Park:211
PORTAGE PARK:207
Dunning:67
Jefferson Park:39
Humboldt Park:877

Robbery in the past Year:

Austin:1001 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:221
Irving Park:131
Albany Park:127
PORTAGE PARK:134
Dunning:46
Jefferson Park:28
Humboldt Park:426

Criminal Sexual Assault in the past year:

Austin:107 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:34
Irving Park:20
Albany Park:13
PORTAGE PARK:16
Dunning:4
Jefferson Park:3
Humboldt Park:32

Homicide 1st and 2nd degrees:

Austin:30 (most in the city)
Belmont Cragin:4
Irving Park:1
Albany Park:3
PORTAGE PARK:1
Dunning:0
Jefferson Park:1
Humboldt Park:17

Thats all folks for now!

When I have all of my info for the last 20 years I will post. It might take awhile.

source of the above figures:Chicago Police Department 2007

Raw figures are pointless. It's per capita rates that are most illustrative. So with that in mind, let's re-examine your figures based on the most current per-neighborhood census data (2000):

Total Violent Crimes (pretending, for the moment, that a category as broad as "total violent crimes" that lumps everything from mutual fistfights to goonings to shootings/stabbings/murder together in the same category is particularly meaningful):

Austin: 1,555/100,000
Belmont Cragin: 530/100,000
Irving Park: 375/100,000
Albany Park: 366/100,000
Portage Park: 316/100,000
Dunning: 159/100,000
Jefferson Park:151/100,000
Humboldt Park: 1,332/100,000

Robbery:
Austin: 852/100,000
Belmont Cragin: 281/100,000
Irving Park: 223/100,000
Portage Park: 205/100,000
Dunning: 109/100,000
Jefferson Park: 108/100,000
Humboldt Park: 647/100,000


Sexual Assault:
Austin: 91/100,000
Belmont Cragin: 44/100,000
Irving Park: 34/100,000
Albany Park:23/100,000
PORTAGE PARK: 24/100,000
Dunning: 9.5/100,000
Jefferson Park: 15.5/100,000
Humboldt Park: 49/100,000

Homicide:

Austin: 26/100,000
Belmont Cragin: 5.2/100,000
Irving Park: 1.7/100,000
Albany Park: 5.2/100,000
PORTAGE PARK:1.5/100,000
Dunning: 0/100,000
Jefferson Park: 3.9/100,000
Humboldt Park: 25.8/100,000


Being able to compare to city-wide, region-wide and nationwide rates for these figures would supply additional context, but I'm too lazy right now to dig that up. Off the top of my head, I can confidently say that Portage Park is still pretty well below the national average in robbery, sexual assault (even with Chicago's broadened definition of sexual assault) and way below the national average in homicide.