Its sucks being a college educated BLK male in Chicago. (Schaumburg: motel, houses)

[Lorielicious]

Originally Posted by Aleking

Not sure where people get this idea that the white people that live in the Lincoln Park/River North/Gold Coast equivelant hoods in LA/SF and NYC are sharing their blocks with a bunch of minorities, it just doesn't happen. The wealthy/upscale neighborhoods (like mentioned in the OPs post) are overwhelmingly white in every city.

Here even white neighborhoods that aren't upscale are almost entirely single race. To the extent that racial separation exists in other large cities (no one's talking about Bent Fork, Oregon), it's largely a matter of class. As much as I don't like it, race and class are largely linked, but class seems to have nothing to do with it here. I can understand limited amounts of racial minorities on the Gold Coast, but nobody gets priced out of, say, Irving Park.

This city seems to have taken a giant paint color wheel and made sure nobody more than one shade apart lives next door to each other.

My posts to this thread may lead one to believe otherwise, but I do like Chicago a lot, I just wish it would join 2011 in like other major American cities.

[Lorielicious]

Originally Posted by Aleking

FWIW, good read on diversity in Chicago and backs up my claim nicely

http://las.depaul.edu/chaddick/docs/...20Neighbor.pdf

Did you actually read this?

[Aleking]

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

Here even white neighborhoods that aren't upscale are almost entirely single race. To the extent that racial separation exists in other large cities (no one's talking about Bent Fork, Oregon), it's largely a matter of class. As much as I don't like it, race and class are largely linked, but class seems to have nothing to do with it here. I can understand limited amounts of racial minorities on the Gold Coast, but nobody gets priced out of, say, Irving Park.

This city seems to have taken a giant paint color wheel and made sure nobody more than one shade apart lives next door to each other.

My posts to this thread may lead one to believe otherwise, but I do like Chicago a lot, I just wish it would join 2011 in like other major American cities.

People most certainly do get priced out of Iriving Park. Right or wrong, one of the main reason places like Uptown and Rogers Park have maintained diversity is because of concerted effort to sustain a large amount of below market rate housing. There are plenty of people (usually ethnic minorities) for whom even a $500 a month place is too expensive.

As for your final note, I think Chicagoans like it the way it is. People like the idea of diversity but aren't so fond of it in practice. The day Lake View, Lincoln Park, Wicker Park and the Gold Coast start becoming diverse, is the day property values plummet and their residents flee to Naperville.

[Aleking]

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

Did you actually read this?

yep, 4 or 5 diverse neighborhoods in the whole city, just like I said.

[SJaye]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Really, we have so much time on our hands we're trying to argue Cincinnati -- Cincinnati, Ohio -- and Detroit -- Detroit, Michigan -- have appreciably better race relations than Chicago? Good thing this is city-data and you don't have to actually defend any of this crap...

What is wrong with comparing these cities based on personal observation?

[FAReastcoast]

Originally Posted by Aleking

Not sure where people get this idea that the white people that live in the Lincoln Park/River North/Gold Coast equivelant hoods in LA/SF and NYC are sharing their blocks with a bunch of minorities, it just doesn't happen. The wealthy/upscale neighborhoods (like mentioned in the OPs post) are overwhelmingly white in every city.

I spent the first 19 years of my life living in the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan, and the change the neighborhood has seen over the past 15 yrs or so is amazing. However, one of the things that has remained is the diversity, sure it is more white than it was when I lived there (im Italian/Russian for what its worth), but the Blacks / Hispanics have stayed put. I truly believe one thing that keeps New York diverse is Rent Controll. Minorities are not forced out of neighborhoods like they are in Chicago, because they continue to pay far less than market rate on neighborhoods.

[FAReastcoast]

Originally Posted by Aleking

And the OP wasn't talking about places like Queens.

Im not sure I understand what this means....

[ParkerP]

I'm still trying to understand what the op wants here. I'm a black chick from the hood and have no problem socializing with and relating to anybody. I've gone bowling, dancing, river boat gambling, paintballing, etc with groups of all races and classes.

Op, what are you doing when you go out/to the bars? Are you just sitting there waiting for somebody to roll out the red carpet for you? Are you actively mingling with people? Its fine that you aren't the "stereotypical" black male but maybe you are coming off in a way that is turning people of all races off from wanting to hang out with you. I highly doubt that the problem is Chicago and being a college educated black male in it.

[ptug101]

Originally Posted by reppin_the_847

LMAO! I think you're pretty spot on here. I loved your assessment of Miami's women. You seem like a pretty easy going, tell it as it is type of dude. EMathias's post was extremely insightful as well. Seems like Atlanta is the modern day "black mecca" and Miami is the "Latino / South American mecca" with Texas & California being the mecca for the middle to upper class Mexican diaspora. Chicago's kind of a mish mash of all these folks (minus some of the South Americans and other ethnicities you might see in say, NYC, like Dominicans and Trinidad / Guyanese. The segregation here sucks, but they say Milwaukee's got it even worse.

Yeah maybe I was to hard on miami woman, they are not all pornstars obviously.but alot ofrpeople seem more concerned with partying on the beach
and trying to be a model and having some rich guy of the week pay fo it.

In regards to Texas I think Austin and Dallas are cool
and BlK and Mexicans seem to get alone alot better than in
Chicago and LA,and I like that alot

[ptug101]

Originally Posted by FAReastcoast

I spent the first 19 years of my life living in the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan, and the change the neighborhood has seen over the past 15 yrs or so is amazing. However, one of the things that has remained is the diversity, sure it is more white than it was when I lived there (im Italian/Russian for what its worth), but the Blacks / Hispanics have stayed put. I truly believe one thing that keeps New York diverse is Rent Controll. Minorities are not forced out of neighborhoods like they are in Chicago, because they continue to pay far less than market rate on neighborhoods.

As a Blk guy I think rent control can sometimes hurt race relations.
One thing is it might cause resentment,because other people are getting to
live in your neighborhood at a lower rate then yourself. traits attributed with poverty like being overly aggressive or being rude might start to trickle down
and the white residents might not view it as a class thing but a race thing,even though it has more to do with economics than race. I think maybe only allowing upper income minorities maybe better,because they maybe a more favorable representative to the white majority.