Chicago interracial dating from a blk male perspective. Pt 2 (Evanston: apartment complexes, home)

[urza216]

Originally Posted by ptug101

most people think the majority of african Americans use drugs but the american drug association estimates only 11.2 percent of african american use drugs compared to 9.8 percent of whites. factor in a margin of error,that is pretty even.

Over 50% of people think the the majority of African Americans use drugs? Do you have any statistics to back yourself up? And you're talking about illegal drugs, right? Not prescription medication or other pharmaceuticals, right?

Originally Posted by ptug101

In florida people thought most welfare receipents in florida were drug addicts guessed what 98% of people passed there drug test.

Drug tests only test for marijuana. If you weren't even talking about other illegal drugs then that should definitely be specified.

This is a good statistic though if it's true. Can you site it?

Originally Posted by ptug101

I can use statistics to say anything. 75% of blk men pay there court order child support.

Indeed. This means 25% of black men don't pay their child support. That's unimpressive.. Just because the majority is doing what they're supposed to be doing, that's not necessarily a good thing. I can seriously imagine someone using the exact same statistic to argue the exact opposite point as you..

Originally Posted by ptug101

did you know white people consume more alchohol per person than blks.

Whites consume more alcohol than blacks? Do you mean per capita? If not, this statistic is useless since there's so many more white people than black people in America. Whites also consume more rap music.


I agree with you that blacks as a whole are unfairly judged for the behavior of the few - but then again, I think a lot of people would agree with that.

[SoxCub Fan]

Originally Posted by ptug101

for example most people think the majority of african Americans use drugs
but the american drug association estimates only 11.2 percent of african american use drugs compared to 9.8 percent of whites. factor in a margin of error,that is pretty even.

Yea, hard drugs really didnt become a black problem until the introduction of crack (mainly because of the lack of knowledge of its addictive powers and its affordability) and maybe a few heroin addicts returning from Vietnam...other than that the lower class African American communities consisted mainly of religious people basically trying to stay afloat. Even today as crack has lost its popularity, lower class African Americans main drug of choice is alcohol and marijuana. Cocaine, heroine, meth, Oxy, ex, and other prescription pills are mainly SOLD by black males to other ethnic groups. Not saying all blacks are exclude from the use of these drugs, but its not prevalent in the African American community.

[reppin_the_847]

Yeah but SoxCub Fan actually has some pretty intriguing points here (I am not being sarcastic either).

Originally Posted by jwaiter

You two could make an editor go nuts. Terrible spelling and grammar. Some invented words for good measure.

[jwaiter]

Originally Posted by reppin_the_847

Yeah but SoxCub Fan actually has some pretty intriguing points here (I am not being sarcastic either).

I'm pretty indifferent to the discussion myself.

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Chicagos upper middle class black enclaves tend to be relatively off the beaten path compared with metro Detroit.

In Detroit the center of gravity is really south Oakland County. The cluster of suburbs of Birmingham, Royal Oak, and Ferndale are as vibrant of suburban downtowns and function in a similar way that Chicagos north side neighborhoods do as being the eclectic, funky areas where you can live in walking distance to shopping and nightlife. Obviously its not to the same extent as Chicagos northside, but the city of Detroit has relatively few areas that are desirable.

In fact the nicest neighborhood in Detroit, probably the one that has held against the decline is Palmer Woods/University District, etc. which is very centrally located, mostly African American, with beautiful houses.
To the west of RO/Birm., is Southfield, which is not that great all over, but North Southfield is nice and 2/3 black, with more office space than downtown Detroit at one point.

Chicagos comparitve enclaves are like I said more off the beaten path. Chicagoland is almost twice as large as metro Detroit, and Chicagos equvalent of residential Southfield, is Flossmoor-Olympia Fields-Homewood-COuntry CLub Hills-Matteson. And there is really no major office parks or anything else for that matter that would bring people down there. Most people in that area, probably work in downtown Chicago or the west suburbs. In Chicago it is very easy to live your whole life without knowing there are nice, upper middle class black areas. Even in the city there are neighborhoods like Hyde Park and Beverly (as well as Oak Park immediately west of the city limits) where there are major black middle class populations, but even there it most likely no more than half.

So, because it is so much more possible to live in Chicagoland to know that nice, upper middle class black areas even exist in the metro area, that contributes to threads like these. For all of Detroits issues, you can easily live there fully knowing that

white doesn't = more well off, and
black doesn't = less well off all the time.

Again, west of Royal Oak/Birmingham is Southfield with major offices, mostly black, and a little nice homes.
East of Royal Oak/Birmingham is Warren, which is mostly white, a little less nice than Southfield (with trailer parks - where Eminem is from), with only GM Tech center to bring people there.
Or compare Palmer Woods (upper income black) with nearby Hazel Park (lower income white). Both being centrally located.

In Chicago you would only see these comparisons in south suburbs east of I-57 into NW Indiana.

So, it is an issue when Lincoln Parkers, who might only know a few black people as aquaintances, and only see blacks on the 10:00 news, and see only black people hitting them up for chance in the Loop. (on the west coast you see a lot more white runaway kids and aging hippies hitting you up for change). And I do believe the geography of where people of different socioeconomic levels and race live can have an impact on race relations.

Oakland County is comparable to Dupage, mostly white and the wealthiest county of its region. Chicago's suburban black middle class may not be in a popular region of the county and doesn't have office buildings like those in Southfield, but our cluster of suburban black middle class covers more area. Southfield is a lone shark in a sea of predominately white communities, whereas what we normally considered the south suburban area is home to over 400,000 people( more than half of which are black people) and two communities had/have a median income of $100,000 or more with a black plurality. I don't think there's any other suburban region outside of D.C. metro and the south with this size of a cluster of black suburbanites you see in Cook County southland. Suburban South Los Angeles used to be one, but due to massive Hispanic immigration, there aren't many left in the area with a black majority or plurality. There's only a few left such as the Ladera Heights-Windsor Hills communities which is LA's Black Beverly Hills. There used to be TV show aired on BET called ''Baldwin Hills'' based off the location.

[wrcousert]

Does it really matter anymore? I see interracial couples all the time. Nobody notices or cares. It's the norm.

Besides, most African Americans are bi-racial - supposedly very few are more than 34% black. This wouldn't have been possible if interracial dating was still taboo.

We started out as a single race. I think we'll revert to that in the next century or so as more people open up to the possibilities.

[reppin_the_847]

I would hesitate to say that Southfield "is a lone shark in a sea of predominantly white communities". If you go to Metro Detroit and set foot in Southfield, you'll see that from your vantage point you are a quick drive from the 8 Mile border & areas of Detroit (almost all Black), Dearborn (mixed Middle Eastern, Black, White, etc.), etc. You're not really in the far fringes of Oakland Co. at all. It's more like being situated in an Oak Park or Evanston type of area out here in terms of its proximity to the anchoring city and more blue collar type towns (the Oak Park comparison might be better in this respect).

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

Oakland County is comparable to Dupage, mostly white and the wealthiest county of its region. Chicago's suburban black middle class may not be in a popular region of the county and doesn't have office buildings like those in Southfield, but our cluster of suburban black middle class covers more area. Southfield is a lone shark in a sea of predominately white communities, whereas what we normally considered the south suburban area is home to over 400,000 people( more than half of which are black people) and two communities had/have a median income of $100,000 or more with a black plurality. I don't think there's any other suburban region outside of D.C. metro and the south with this size of a cluster of black suburbanites you see in Cook County southland. Suburban South Los Angeles used to be one, but due to massive Hispanic immigration, there aren't many left in the area with a black majority or plurality. There's only a few left such as the Ladera Heights-Windsor Hills communities which is LA's Black Beverly Hills. There used to be TV show aired on BET called ''Baldwin Hills'' based off the location.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

Oakland County is comparable to Dupage, mostly white and the wealthiest county of its region. Chicago's suburban black middle class may not be in a popular region of the county and doesn't have office buildings like those in Southfield, but our cluster of suburban black middle class covers more area. Southfield is a lone shark in a sea of predominately white communities, whereas what we normally considered the south suburban area is home to over 400,000 people( more than half of which are black people) and two communities had/have a median income of $100,000 or more with a black plurality. I don't think there's any other suburban region outside of D.C. metro and the south with this size of a cluster of black suburbanites you see in Cook County southland. Suburban South Los Angeles used to be one, but due to massive Hispanic immigration, there aren't many left in the area with a black majority or plurality. There's only a few left such as the Ladera Heights-Windsor Hills communities which is LA's Black Beverly Hills. There used to be TV show aired on BET called ''Baldwin Hills'' based off the location.

In addition to what reppping847 said,

I'm not sure if the 400,000 includes everything south/east of I-55, but if half the people are black in any case, that is still only over 200,000 black people. And many communities east of I-57 are crime ridden, impoverished and blighted including Harvey, Dolton, Ford Heights, Chicago Heights, parts of Calumet City, Robbins (actually west of I-57). If you add up the communities populations there that are actualy decent and desirable as well as majority black (again Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields, Matteson, Country Club Hills its under 100,000). Southfield plus Lathrup Village is close to 80,000. Plus there are still a few isolated enclaves of nice neighborhoods in the far northwest side of the city of Detroit that are majority black. And I'm not sure what you consider "white" But that area does have THE largest Arab-middle eastern pop in the country. Plus a Jewish population of close to 100,000.

Detroit/metro Detroit may not have much that can compare to Chicago, but in terms of black heritage, and black success Chicago really is not above Detroit, especially considering Chicagoland is twice the population as metro Detroit.

And yes, LA has a lot of upscale AA areas that you mentioned, especially considering the relatively small percentage of LAs population that is black.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

In addition to what reppping847 said,

I'm not sure if the 400,000 includes everything south/east of I-55, but if half the people are black in any case, that is still only over 200,000 black people. And many communities east of I-57 are crime ridden, impoverished and blighted including Harvey, Dolton, Ford Heights, Chicago Heights, parts of Calumet City, Robbins (actually west of I-57). If you add up the communities populations there that are actualy decent and desirable as well as majority black (again Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields, Matteson, Country Club Hills its under 100,000). Southfield plus Lathrup Village is close to 80,000. Plus there are still a few isolated enclaves of nice neighborhoods in the far northwest side of the city of Detroit that are majority black. And I'm not sure what you consider "white" But that area does have THE largest Arab-middle eastern pop in the country. Plus a Jewish population of close to 100,000.

Detroit/metro Detroit may not have much that can compare to Chicago, but in terms of black heritage,, and black success Chicago really is not above Detroit, especially considering Chicagoland is twice the population as metro Detroit.

And yes, LA has a lot of upscale AA areas that you mentioned, especially considering the relatively small percentage of LAs population that is black.

You mean PARTS of Chicago Heights. Not all of Chicago Heights is impoverished, only parts of it - particularly the Beacon Hill subdivision, the Hill, and the east side. In fact, there are parts of Chicago Heights that are nearly indistinguishable from Olympia Fields. And many parts in between.

And Dolton shouldn't really be on that list either.. Although there is poverty, it shouldn't all painted with that brush. Middle class blacks settle in Dolton (but don't necessarily send their kids to the public schools).

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

In addition to what reppping847 said,

I'm not sure if the 400,000 includes everything south/east of I-55, but if half the people are black in any case, that is still only over 200,000 black people. And many communities east of I-57 are crime ridden, impoverished and blighted including Harvey, Dolton, Ford Heights, Chicago Heights, parts of Calumet City, Robbins (actually west of I-57). If you add up the communities populations there that are actualy decent and desirable as well as majority black (again Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields, Matteson, Country Club Hills its under 100,000). Southfield plus Lathrup Village is close to 80,000. Plus there are still a few isolated enclaves of nice neighborhoods in the far northwest side of the city of Detroit that are majority black. And I'm not sure what you consider "white" But that area does have THE largest Arab-middle eastern pop in the country. Plus a Jewish population of close to 100,000.

Detroit/metro Detroit may not have much that can compare to Chicago, but in terms of black heritage, and black success Chicago really is not above Detroit, especially considering Chicagoland is twice the population as metro Detroit.

And yes, LA has a lot of upscale AA areas that you mentioned, especially considering the relatively small percentage of LAs population that is black.

I included the townships of Thornton, Bloom, Calumet, Rich, and Bremen into the calculation, it came out to be a total of 467,000 people(55% black or 257,000 ). Well Bremen Township goes far west to Harlem Ave. which is Tinley Park/Southwest territory, but I only included it because the westside of CCH and Markham falls under the Bremen banner. I hear you about the impoverish areas in the south burbs ,the bulk is in the Thornton township or north of I-80. South of I-80 includes the middle-affluent towns of CCH, Homewood, Flossmoor, Glenwood, Lynwood, Hazel Crest , Olympia Fields, and Matteson. Save for Homewood(maybe in a few years), they have a black plurality-majority. Also the communities I named have a black home-ownership of more than 70%. Southfield's black home-ownership is only 48%(shocking), a figure that's equivalent to Harvey. Adjacent Lathrup shows a way more favorable figure with 91%.

I was trying to get at in terms of land area than population. With or without Bremen Township, the south burbs equals 172 or 134 sq. miles. In terms of population for the several towns I've mention that are south of I-80 comes out to be 82,392 and roughly 34 sq miles. And that's not even including South Holland in the mixed which puts it over 100,000. You're right to say there are more people in Chicago metro and that may play in why black suburbia and middle class is more extensive in Chicago than in Detroit. But the south burbs(especially South Holland and south of I-80 ) deserves some credit. From the data I provided, the black home-ownership is definitely higher(percentage wise at least) here than in South Oakland.