Chicago Hip-Hop Scene (Atlanta: 2009, law, store)

[Banx]

Originally Posted by Drover

You sure he didn't get it from
Cher?

No T-Pain said himself he was inspired by the west coast's Zapp n Roger. Too bad he completely ruined the whole idea. I hate T-Pain.

[noid_1985]

T- Pain was actually inspired by Teddy Riley(Blackstreet- Guy) first- then he heard Roger Troutman T-Pain Talks About Knocking Out Three Tracks With Britney - News Story | Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV News

[Lookout Kid]

Who the hell cares about T-Pain? The "T" is for "Talentless".

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Drover

True, whatever 2Pac used in "California Love" and Zapp & Roger used in "I Wanna Be Your Man" isn't an auto-tuner, it just "electronic"-izes the voice and hitting the correct pitch is still up to the vocalist. And they weren't the first to eletronic-ize vocals either. Probably the most famous is the crude but ingenious version done in
"Do You Feel Like We Do" by Peter Frampton. But even the Beatles beat him to it by 10 years in their 1966 tune
"Tomrorrow Never Knows" (second half of the song) which I believe is the first known recording to use intentional electronic vocal distortion, not to mention the obvious inspiration behind The Chemical Brothers'
"Let Forever Be".

OK, I'm done ranting. I think.

Yeah, those electro voices always make me think of Frampton. Too funny.

[Lookout Kid]

Chicago Hip Hop:


YouTube - Chicago, My Kind of Town (Version 2)

I hope these guys aren't serious...

[sharkylittleton]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

Who the hell cares about T-Pain? The "T" is for "Talentless".

I agree with you 100% but I try not to insult the new age rappers. Fact of the matter is that they must be doing something right to be where they are but that doesn't mean I will ever listen to them. If you compare these new age rappers to Nas's first 3 albums, you start to see how shallow artists can be nowadays.

[noid_1985]

It's not about longevity any more- most of these guys are in it for a quick buck- they're not in love with the music. These days it's all about who's hot at the right time- Lil' Wayne is the face of hip hop right now rather people like it or not because he's rapping about things young folk are experimenting with (sex, drugs, alcohol). Most people are bandwagon fans anyway- the average person who "hears" hip hop couldn't tell you what artist such as Common, Lupe, and sometimes Kanye were trying to say- sure they could recite the words, but most people don't listen to the artist. I think marketing teams noticed this- that's why rap CDs are full of beats and bull**** yet lack substance

[Chicagoaklandish]

I'll throw in my two cents -

For those into the "concious/backpack/underground" sound here are some suggestions

Typical Cats (the first album)
Wes Restless (www.myspace.com/wesrestless, really talented MC/singer/producer)
Longshot - any of his albums
Psalm One - Death of Frequent Flyer

for those who like creative thoughtful thuggish/gangsta rap, go get

Twista - Adrenaline Rush (A CLASSIC START TO FINISH)
E.C. Illa - White Folks
D2ThaS - anything you can find by them
Legendary Traxster - All Hell Breaks Loose

Here is a really good article (from 2001) about the history of Chicago hip hop

G A L A P A G O S 4 - Chicago Hip Hop History

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by noid_1985

It's not about longevity any more- most of these guys are in it for a quick buck- they're not in love with the music. These days it's all about who's hot at the right time- Lil' Wayne is the face of hip hop right now rather people like it or not because he's rapping about things young folk are experimenting with (sex, drugs, alcohol). Most people are bandwagon fans anyway- the average person who "hears" hip hop couldn't tell you what artist such as Common, Lupe, and sometimes Kanye were trying to say- sure they could recite the words, but most people don't listen to the artist. I think marketing teams noticed this- that's why rap CDs are full of beats and bull**** yet lack substance

Isn't that how popular music, including rap, has been since its inception?

If you want rap with substance, you can find it, it just usually won't be on the top 10 list. It rarely is. Same goes for R&B, rock, any other mainstream genre of the past 50 years.

[DjRey]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Yeah no kidding. Cher is the first person I remember that ever used it in a major recording. That was like 10 years ago.


YouTube - Cher - Believe - Music Video

Also (not directed to Drover) a talk box (what Roger Troutman used) is not anything remotely close to what Cher used and the rappers of today use. They use pitch altering machines (modern digital vocoders.) A talk box is completely different.

Vocoder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talk box - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Naw, you missed my point. He was saying that T Pain started the talk box, and that sound came from Florida? Thats very far from the truth. I personally think T Pain is garbage. I do like real R&B singers that can actually you know, sing?