Chicago segregated (Lincoln: moving, authority, rail)
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Yes, but I was responding to far northwest. Which to me includes what I would consider to be the neighborhoods north and west of the 90/94 split. Those areas I consider to be the far northwest side.
Now the far north or northeast side, yes, those neighborhood clusters (Uptown, Edgewater, Rogers Park, Albany Park) are very diverse and have residents of all creed, color, and background living side by side. (Vietnamese, Indian, middle eastern, Jewish, black, Mexican, Greeks, you name it, as well as a few aging Kentuckians in Uptown that moved there in the 60s).
I think however those areas are still somewhat unique in Chicago in terms of their ethnic mix.
Any neighborhoods that have a lot of inexpensive rental stock will have more diversity. When you get away from the huge buildings close to the lake, there's just less people per sq. mile, so diversity is not as noticeable.
But Albany Park is a northwest side neighborhood. And Devon west of Western is in West Ridge, also northwest side.
Avondale is chock full of quite a few distinct latin american ethnic groups in addition to Polish and other east European folks, Portage Park, Belmont Cragin are as well.
The neighborhoods all the way at the furthest edges of the City are not representative of anything but themselves.
I don't know a single person who refers to the "far northwest" side, much less does so using a racial measuring stick to define it.
Any neighborhoods that have a lot of inexpensive rental stock will have more diversity. When you get away from the huge buildings close to the lake, there's just less people per sq. mile, so diversity is not as noticeable.
But Albany Park is a northwest side neighborhood. And Devon west of Western is in West Ridge, also northwest side.
Avondale is chock full of quite a few distinct latin american ethnic groups in addition to Polish and other east European folks, Portage Park, Belmont Cragin are as well.
The neighborhoods all the way at the furthest edges of the City are not representative of anything but themselves.
I don't know a single person who refers to the "far northwest" side, much less does so using a racial measuring stick to define it.
The term "far northwest side" has used countless times on this forum.
And I am in no way "using" a racial measuring stick to define it." It is a simple fact based on the map in the link provided on this thread. Maybe the 2010 census has changed, and some of those areas are becoming more hispanic, but everywhere across the country, even smaller cities and towns are becoming more hispanic and integrated.
To a certain degree those same trends are nation-wide. Heck, conservative reputation-Grand Rapids, MI is now about 15% hispanic and only 2/3 non-hispanic white.
When you measure straight across from the lakefront along Irving Park Road, and split it in half it divides evenly along Cicero. Unless you consider the fact that Chicago has no east side, unless you can swim really wide, then that makes just about the entire north side, the northwest side, I don't see how one can possibly think of West Ridge as northwest.
Avondale is what I would consider mid-northwest side. If you were to take Milwaukee, or the Blue Line, or the UP-NW line from the loop all the way to the city limits the Irving Park stop would be just a little more than half way to the city limits. Park Ridge-Edison Park border. I should know, I grew up taking the UP-NW line.
The north branch of the Chicago river, thats what separates north side from northwest.
I do consider Albany Park, Irving Park, Logan Square, and Humboldt Park northwest side, but not far northwest.
Far northwest to me includes: Jefferson Park, Edgebrook, Norwood Park, Edison Park, Portage Park, Dunning, O'Hare neighborhood surrounding Norridge and Harwood Heights. That to me is the far northwest. Irving Park, Logan Square, Belmont Cragin to me is mid-northwest.
Albany Park is northwest too, but its not that far to the northwest.
In any case, those far northwest neighborhoods: Jefferson Park, Edgebrook, Norwood Park, Edison Park, Portage Park, Dunning, O'Hare neighborhood surrounding Norridge and Harwood Heights. are generally white, and include a lot of people whos families have been involved in governing the city generationally.
The north branch of the Chicago river, thats what separates north side from northwest.
Well, this explains a lot, as although I understand the logic, this isn't the case.
It's called "Western" for a reason, anything west of Western is west side (same thing for North Ave).
And I take your point about the ethnic breakdown of Forest Glen, etc., but it's not so much that the people are running Chicago as they are working for it, and required by law to live there.
You do have politicians, but you also have staff from every department of the City: CTA, DOE, Streets & San, CPD (police & parks!), CFD, Board of Ed, CDOT, etc., etc.
Are there white folks over-represented in those neighborhoods? Depends how you look at it. The simple fact is white folks got here first, so they've been working municipal jobs longer than anyone else, and jobs get filled via word of mouth in that sector just like anywhere else. So 150 years later, why wouldn't we expect to see this reflected in at least some areas in the City? White flight hasn't happened everywhere in the City the way it did in the most extreme cases, and I don't think it's something we're trying to encourage now, right?
It's called "Western" for a reason, anything west of Western is west side (same thing for North Ave).
So you're saying north of North and west of Western is the Northwest Side? That works pretty well. I grew up on the West Side and considered north of North where the West Side proper started blending into the Northwest Side; I think most people I knew did.
It's easier on the south where the river, canal and Cicero (the town) make hard boundaries between West and South sides.
Long-winded maybe, but also some very sound observations there. I think that the visceral, racial hatred that was so common in Chicago's white ethnic hoods past, is mostly an anachronism these days.
Whites who exhibit some contempt or disdain for blacks these days seem more driven by the crime factor than anything else. Rightly or wrongly, lots of white folks associate that more African-Americans in their neighborhood means more danger.
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I agree, and it is a fact where I live! What is so wrong about wanting to 'hold up your own race?" I think it is like survival of the fittest, and human instinct. I should uphold ANOTHER race over mine? That is the problem now, with all the inter racial marriages. Call me names; but I like looking at pictures of my relative and seeing 'where' I came from. You throw in another race, and that gets wiped out.
Hispanics, don't want to change their lifestyle and ways, and Asian's enjoy their ways too. I enjoy my life and heritage and history.
is voluntary segregation the new sin?
how welcome is south side these days for archie bunker?
if they leave its white flight if they come its gentrification.
why blame archie for everything?
signed
a native and former resident
So you're saying north of North and west of Western is the Northwest Side? That works pretty well. I grew up on the West Side and considered north of North where the West Side proper started blending into the Northwest Side; I think most people I knew did.
It's easier on the south where the river, canal and Cicero (the town) make hard boundaries between West and South sides.
To be fair, I'm kind of cobbling that opinion together from a host of different books/source material, but I think it's logical to frame Chicago geographical names against how the City expanded from its original city limits.
I'll certainly go with a native West Sider's definition, I restrict my absolute moral authority to lecturing people in the gentrification biz about Lake View.
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