Which part of Avondale is safe/not safe? (Chicago, Oak Park: buying, live in)

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by irvparkrez11

No, I trust google maps. Anyways, there's a dispute about what people define as "neighborhood". According to your "legit" website, Mayfair is not a neighborhood - it's cut up between Irving Park and Albany Park. What about this site? Chicago Neighborhood Details: Mayfair. And this one? Chicago Mayfair Real Estate | listings, restaurants, shopping, maps, and more. No, Mayfair is still not a neighborhood because your site says nothing about Mayfair!

So better think before you say.

Dude you need to really stop because now you are making a fool of yourself.

You see in Chicago there are things called "official" neighborhoods/community areas that have LEGAL boundaries set by the city. Examples of these are Avondale, Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Irving Park, West Town, Humboldt Park, the Loop, the Near north side, etc.

Then there are subneighborhoods that are within the above neighborhoods, that have no "official" boundaries, where it's ambiguous as to where they start and end, like Old Irving Park, Roscoe Village, Wrigleyville, Boystown, DePaul, the GoldCoast, Wicker Park. Etc.

This is common knowledge. Everyone know Wrigleyville is part of Lakeview or that roscoe village is part of north center. Lol you actually thought Mayfair was an official neighborhood?!


You have just PROVEN that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this stuff.so you are basing everything a real estate website says but not the official government who put down these boundaries? I guess I should as if you also still believe in Santa Claus?

[irvparkrez11]

OK, "Chicago expert", now you're accusing Google Maps of incorrect mapping? Avondale is what I described above, according to Google Maps. Anyways, I go by this map, not by those "official" and "legal" and "politically correct" boundaries.

Chicago Neighborhoods Google Map

[Chi-town Native]

I will see you your Google and raise:

Avondale

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

I will see you your Google and raise:

Avondale

I will see your Encylopedia of Chicago and raise you an Avondale neighborhood map from wiki!

http://www.cityofchicago.org/content...A_AVONDALE.pdf

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by irvparkrez11

OK, "Chicago expert", now you're accusing Google Maps of incorrect mapping? Avondale is what I described above, according to Google Maps. Anyways, I go by this map, not by those "official" and "legal" and "politically correct" boundaries.

Chicago Neighborhoods Google Map

Ok expert. Let me ask you this, who set these boundaries first? The city of Chicago or google?

These boundaries were set by the city in the 1920s. So the borders you see on the website I provided have been around for close to 100 years. The ones on Google? Not even a decade.....

Like I said you need to stop cause you are making yourself not look too bright right now.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by BRU67

I will see your Encylopedia of Chicago and raise you an Avondale neighborhood map from wiki!

http://www.cityofchicago.org/content...A_AVONDALE.pdf

Nope - Chicagoist is right, any yahoo city employee can monkey with their website (seriously, do you visit it often? clearly the lunatics run that asylum), but the formal/official description of Avondale is set in stone.

There are loads of "official" maps out there that upon investigation have been sponsored by realtors, developers, bogus born-again neighborhood associations (cough - West Bucktown!), etc.

Honestly, even that map clearly shows Diversey on the south and Addison along most of the north, all they've inexplicably removed from the community area is a small chunk that's part of the NW quadrant.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

Nope - Chicagoist is right, any yahoo city employee can monkey with their website (seriously, do you visit it often? clearly the lunatics run that asylum), but the formal/official description of Avondale is set in stone.

There are loads of "official" maps out there that upon investigation have been sponsored by realtors, developers, bogus born-again neighborhood associations (cough - West Bucktown!), etc.

Honestly, even that map clearly shows Diversey on the south and Addison along most of the north, all they've inexplicably removed from the community area is a small chunk that's part of the NW quadrant.

Except that the link BRU67 provides is an official City of Chicago map, drawn from the "set in stone" boundaries you speak of. And the northwest corner is not "inexplicably removed," it's not included because it's not part of Avondale. It's part of Irving Park.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by Drover

Except that the link BRU67 provides is an official City of Chicago map, drawn from the "set in stone" boundaries you speak of. And the northwest corner is not "inexplicably removed," it's not included because it's not part of Avondale. It's part of Irving Park.

Actually, I looked again, you're right, but since that map is just the community area map (eg, exactly the same one I linked to and described) I'm not sure what BRU was getting at.

There are quote "official" City of Chicago neighborhood maps that are IMO bunk, which I state with confidence as they were put out by a single department, which works in dutch with developers.

In fact, all you really need to do is look at the links irving park dude provided to see where his bias/ignorance lies.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it until I die:

Realtors and developers do not get to rename the official community areas (which in many cases are synonymous with neighborhoods). Period. Lincoln Park never gets to go north of Diversey, Lake View never gets to south of it. Logan Square doesn't go north of Diversey, Avondale doesn't go south of it.

If you want to officially name something, build brand new where nothing exists. Otherwise, you're just another castle built on sand.

If one doesn't like this reality, go yell at a map for a while, or better yet, go to City Hall and demand they change the set-in-stone community areas that are pushing 100 years old.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by Chicagoist123

Ok expert. Let me ask you this, who set these boundaries first? The city of Chicago or google?

These boundaries were set by the city in the 1920s. So the borders you see on the website I provided have been around for close to 100 years. The ones on Google? Not even a decade.....

Like I said you need to stop cause you are making yourself not look too bright right now.

Bingo.

Google = for profit company accountable to nobody but its stockholders

City of Chicago = municipality accountable to its citizens

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

Bingo.

Google = for profit company accountable to nobody but its stockholders

City of Chicago = municipality accountable to its citizens

Haha or so we like to think so!