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Old 06-12-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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You've mentioned this over and over again in your posts.
tex, i realize that. i even made mention of it here before i shared. also, keep in mind that I really do believe that this is only my perspective. I really don't believe anyone needs to share it because I do know it just is my way of thinking.

in other words, you wouldn't be wrong to think differently. all i gave was opinion, far removed from fact. just my spin.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Athens, GA (via Pittsburgh, PA)
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no question that Boston's decline was exceedingly deep; i think it somewhat followed the route that St. Louis did here in the midwest during the same time frame.

you may be right about philly not having the time to change things. certainly today it appears to be more on that track. just looking at the growth of the skyline (and how William Penn on city hall has to keep looking higher and higher upward) gives some evidence that is true.

boston though seems more of an appeal to life style. it might be the educational complex there (not that philly's universities aren't impressive, too....but it's not Boston and Penn isn't Harvard).

The real difference between the two may be size: smaller Boston was able to hold on to more of that great historical context they both shared. and boston was never the heavy industry town that Philly was.
Boston's economy declined during the 1950's and 1960's. Philadelphia's economy declined during the 1970's and 1980's. Philadelphia has had about 20 years to change itself, but Boston has had 40 years. That's the big difference. Nobody began to care much about Boston on the national scene until the 1990's, and only now is Philadelphia reemerging on the national conscience. As for Philadelphia's higher education, Penn is Ivy League just like Harvard, and they have arguably the best business school in the United States, so it's kind of an apples-and-oranges comparison. If you want to get into law, go to Harvard. If you want to get into business, go to Penn.

Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC seem to have an interesting relationship with each other. They all have economic and financial clout, and they all had industry once upon a time, but each of those cities had one specialty that stood out above the others, and each city's identity developed around that specialty: higher education for Boston, finance for New York, industry for Philadelphia and government for Washington DC.

Of those four specialties, which one is valued the least in the United States today? Industry. As a result, Philadelphia got stripped of its identity while the other three have built upon theirs. I read that article by Aaron Renn just yesterday, and he made the point that Chicago doesn't seem to have a specialty to build upon. Philadelphia seems to be in the same situation too, but unlike Chicago, it's not the big cheese in its region of the country, so it's just forgotten about entirely, which is ridiculous given its size.

Is Philadelphia the nation's capital? No, that's Washington DC. Is it the nation's largest city? No, that's New York. Do Philadelphia's biggest businesses get to collude with the federal government like those in New York? No. Is it a state capital like Boston? No. Is it the only major city in its state like Chicago? No. Basically, Philadelphia has almost none of the built-in advantages that its peer cities do, which makes its resilience more impressive.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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Of those four specialties, which one is valued the least in the United States today? Industry. As a result, Philadelphia got stripped of its identity while the other three have built upon theirs. I read that article by Aaron Renn just yesterday, and he made the point that Chicago doesn't seem to have a specialty to build upon.
He apparently isn't a beer drinker, as you'd have to be completely dense to have missed how many new breweries and brew-pubs have opened in Chicago in the last 5 years.

There won't be any cheap imports from China or where ever undercutting the demand for fresh craft beer, ever.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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He apparently isn't a beer drinker, as you'd have to be completely dense to have missed how many new breweries and brew-pubs have opened in Chicago in the last 5 years.

There won't be any cheap imports from China or where ever undercutting the demand for fresh craft beer, ever.
Or he is simply completely dense.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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Or he is simply completely dense.
The two go hand in hand.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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There won't be any cheap imports from China or where ever undercutting the demand for fresh craft beer, ever.
I was actually thinking about this the other day. Really the only way I know how to support America. You can buy a Ford, but half the parts will be made overseas.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Andersonville, Chicago
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He apparently isn't a beer drinker, as you'd have to be completely dense to have missed how many new breweries and brew-pubs have opened in Chicago in the last 5 years.

There won't be any cheap imports from China or where ever undercutting the demand for fresh craft beer, ever.
Ah, thanks for reminding me! I need to ride over to Half Acre to get my growler filled. It's $2 off on Tuesdays, you know!
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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He apparently isn't a beer drinker, as you'd have to be completely dense to have missed how many new breweries and brew-pubs have opened in Chicago in the last 5 years.

There won't be any cheap imports from China or where ever undercutting the demand for fresh craft beer, ever.
Very true. A lot of the new push to support manufacturing and exports is geared towards small businesses like breweries and other crafted products. I'm heading up to Revolution shortly
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I was actually thinking about this the other day. Really the only way I know how to support America. You can buy a Ford, but half the parts will be made overseas.
The hops may be grown abroad.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC seem to have an interesting relationship with each other..
ok, does that make it true what I always suspected: Baltimore really is the step-child of the five?
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